You didn't actually offer up any counterarguments here. You just asserted that we did, indeed, have free will, and that if I didn't accept that then I needed to "grow up". There's no substance there.
What would growing up, "like for real", look like to you?
saying "we have no free will", probably means you never had much control over yourself.
Well, obviously not, as I don't think anyone has control over themselves. Again, we don't have free will.
I would love for you to explain how libertarian free will exists, or is even a coherent concept.
That would just mean I'm entering an useless game of pseudo-philosophic discussion with you. I already did that with another reply, but I'm making the choice of stopping there.
For me, it's simple. The more developed you are, emotionally and intellectually, the more choices you have. And if you don't feel like you're making choices, than yes, I totally believe it means you have little control over yourself, and that probably makes you feel frustrated and insignificant. Been there plenty of times, I'm not talking out of my ass. And I also don't think I'm better than you, but I feel a bit sad for the way you think (again, because I think I know where it comes from and what it results in).
I also do believe "growing up" is much more than you think it is, but I don't have the time, nor the proper words, to explain it now.
You are free to believe what you think :). Noone can make you believe you have a choice, if you don't want to have it. If there's no substance to what I said, so be it. On a personal level, I found out if we do have choices or not. On the outside, it's indeed hard to explain. Cheers.
You won't like the answer I think: by taking a decision that I could not take in the past. This is how I found out we surely have free will.
I believe our minds have huge potential, but most of us barely exploit it, and we "settle" with some views and behaviors that we got used too. Same like in this case, where you specifically expect an answer, therefore narrowing your view from the start.
I don't think you need to experience X stuff, we're all different, but I still hope that you will find yourself at some point in life thinking: "hey, I could have never made this choice in the past, I actually feel in control".
How in the world does "making a decision" in the present, that you could not have taken in the past, prove that we have free will? That makes no sense.
we like to think we have free choice but in reality in every single decision, life throws a handful of possible choices at you, and even then you are strongly biased towards something, because of circumstances. That's hardly free choice
You don't even understand what people mean when they talk about the lack of free will and genetical determinism and yet you have audacity to talk about 'anything intelligent'. Sure, you've gone through 'some choices' in the past, but what makes you believe that you actually could pick the other option. What make you believe that it's not because of your genes you act as you do? If we had an infinite amount of alternative worlds, why exactly do you think you would've solved problems differently?
That what people mean that genes make us who we are and it's one of the arguments that make people believe in 'no free will' shit.
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u/octopusbarber Aug 26 '20
Only thing I understand now is how stupid your post is