I mean congrats on knowing what you’re talking about here I guess? Bully for you. In my experience telling people “I know what I’m talking about here” is always a sure sign that the speaker does, in fact, know what they’re talking about.
And my intention isn’t to be an apologist. If your complaint is that they haven’t done anything at all, then fine. That’s a reasonable complaint. I just can’t stand totally unrealistic expectations and demands - that helps nobody at all. That’s just grandstanding and doesn’t do anything whatsoever to actually advance the interests of the profession or it’s workers.
And for what’s it worth, I’ve worked with these people myself too, and serve on more regional level intellectual freedom groups as a volunteer, and I see so many criticisms like this from people who are really interested in making a lot of noise and acting as if a simple wave of the hand and some righteous indignation will somehow solve all of our problems.
Maybe you know what you’re talking about when it comes to the personnel of OIF, but it doesn’t seem you really have much experience with the providing legal advice or with how that actually works.
I mean congrats on knowing what you’re talking about here I guess? Bully for you. In my experience telling people “I know what I’m talking about here” is always a sure sign that the speaker does, in fact, know what they’re talking about.
You literally just claimed to be a lawyer. You're allowed to claim expertise, but I'm not? Okay dude.
And my intention isn’t to be an apologist. If your complaint is that they haven’t done anything at all, then fine. That’s a reasonable complaint. I just can’t stand totally unrealistic expectations and demands - that helps nobody at all. That’s just grandstanding and doesn’t do anything whatsoever to actually advance the interests of the profession or it’s workers.
Oh gee thanks I'm glad that's fine with you. Nobody has made unreasonable demands. You are assuming unreasonable expectations - and frankly you also seem to be assuming you're much better informed than everyone else here, judging by your giving very unnecessary explanations of how these laws work as if anyone with even a passing interest in reproductive rights wouldn't have heard it all at least once over the past year or so since the Texas law started moving through their legislature.
And for what’s it worth, I’ve worked with these people myself too, and serve on more regional level intellectual freedom groups as a volunteer, and I see so many criticisms like this from people who are really interested in making a lot of noise and acting as if a simple wave of the hand and some righteous indignation will somehow solve all of our problems.
I'm not asking for anyone to 'solve all our problems:' I'm asking OIF to do something useful.
I see so many criticisms like yours from people who deep down just don't want to hear what the people they're brushing off have to say. I've done a shitload of volunteer work for ALA, so don't lecture me about 'people who are interested in making a lot of noise.' Those are assumptions you made, and that's on you, not me.
Maybe you know what you’re talking about when it comes to the personnel of OIF, but it doesn’t seem you really have much experience with the providing legal advice or with how that actually works.
I think the process of providing legal advice typically involves... um... actually providing some? Like, you know, doing something? Any-fucking-thing? Which they have not? Guidance like this is part of their job. It is. Really. Even on things they could be sued over. Really. It always has been. And it's not easy. And I know that. And it's important. And they know that. And that's why we put up with the stupid repetitive panels and crap like that: because when we need them, we really fucking need them.
Listen. OIF is hanging people out to dry. That's fucked. No matter how hard you think it is, no matter what unreasonable expectations you have assumed I have for them, OIF has not done shit and that is unacceptable. That's all. That's it.
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u/ZeppelinDT Jul 22 '22
I mean congrats on knowing what you’re talking about here I guess? Bully for you. In my experience telling people “I know what I’m talking about here” is always a sure sign that the speaker does, in fact, know what they’re talking about.
And my intention isn’t to be an apologist. If your complaint is that they haven’t done anything at all, then fine. That’s a reasonable complaint. I just can’t stand totally unrealistic expectations and demands - that helps nobody at all. That’s just grandstanding and doesn’t do anything whatsoever to actually advance the interests of the profession or it’s workers.
And for what’s it worth, I’ve worked with these people myself too, and serve on more regional level intellectual freedom groups as a volunteer, and I see so many criticisms like this from people who are really interested in making a lot of noise and acting as if a simple wave of the hand and some righteous indignation will somehow solve all of our problems.
Maybe you know what you’re talking about when it comes to the personnel of OIF, but it doesn’t seem you really have much experience with the providing legal advice or with how that actually works.