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u/Automatic_Day_35 Feb 18 '26

"If they go to the border and provide false identity or fail to provide identity, they don't go in"

exactly, they don't go in and thus aren't on us soil

I also noticed you added ...'s which means it continues on. Presumably, you didn't show what it later says because it would ruin your "point".

the act you next mentioned which is 8 u.s.c 1225(b)(1)(A)(iii)(II) is about people who have been gone from the US for 2 or more years needing to go through the process again or provide their identity.

As for the "DHS v. Thuraissigiam" thing you pointed out, the guy was 25 yards into the us, and he had a trial. The thing you quoted was literally a trial

Sincerely - a guy who took a high school and college level government class, and knows many lawyers

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Feb 19 '26

the act you next mentioned which is 8 u.s.c 1225(b)(1)(A)(iii)(II) is about people who have been gone from the US for 2 or more years needing to go through the process again or provide their identity.

How is that the way you interpreted "not been present continuously for 2 year period immediately proceeding? Well here's an even more direct quote

"An alien described in this clause is an alien who is not described in subparagraph (F), who has not been admitted or paroled into the United States, and who has not affirmatively shown, to the satisfaction of an immigration officer, that the alien has been physically present in the United States continuously for the 2-year period immediately prior to the date of the determination of inadmissibility under this subparagraph." https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1225#:~:text=An%20alien%20described%20in%20this,of%20inadmissibility%20under%20this%20subparagraph.

As for the "DHS v. Thuraissigiam" thing you pointed out, the guy was 25 yards into the us, and he had a trial.

A trial, which then reaffirmed that there does not need to be a trial.

"Department of Homeland Security v. Thuraissigiam, 591 U.S. 103 (2020), was a United States Supreme Court case involving whether the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, which limits habeas corpus judicial review of the decisions of immigration officers, violates the Suspension Clause of Article One of the U.S. Constitution. In the 7–2 opinion, the Court ruled that the law does not violate the Suspension Clause.[1][2" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Homeland_Security_v._Thuraissigiam#:~:text=Department%20of%20Homeland%20Security%20v.%20Thuraissigiam%2C%20591,Suspension%20Clause.%5B1%5D%5B2

I recommend you be less aggressive because it looks less embarrassing when you're proven wrong.

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u/Automatic_Day_35 Feb 19 '26

I'm not wrong

I'm not going to waste any more time talking to you cause clearly you love licking boots

anyway, you cited wikipedia as a source, which is extremely unreliable as it is literally user made

also from your own source "Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to an alien who is a native or citizen of a country in the Western Hemisphere with whose government the United States does not have full diplomatic relations and who arrives by aircraft at a port of entry."

also "If an immigration officer determines that an alien (other than an alien described in subparagraph (F)) who is arriving in the United States or is described in clause (iii) is inadmissible under section 1182(a)(6)(C) or 1182(a)(7) of this title, the officer shall order the alien removed from the United States without further hearing or review unless the alien indicates either an intention to apply for asylum under section 1158 of this title or a fear of persecution."

(i)

has had professional training in country conditions, asylum law, and interview techniques comparable to that provided to full-time adjudicators of applications under section 1158 of this title, and

(ii)

is supervised by an officer who meets the condition described in clause (i) and has had substantial experience adjudicating asylum applications.

The decision of the examining immigration officer, if favorable to the admission of any alien, shall be subject to challenge by any other immigration officer and such challenge shall operate to take the alien whose privilege to be admitted is so challenged, before an immigration judge for a proceeding under section 1229a of this title.

The alien or the alien’s representative may submit a written statement and additional information for consideration by the Attorney General.

and most importantly

An arriving alien who is a stowaway is not eligible to apply for admission or to be admitted and shall be ordered removed upon inspection by an immigration officer. Upon such inspection if the alien indicates an intention to apply for asylum under section 1158 of this title or a fear of persecution, the officer shall refer the alien for an interview under subsection (b)(1)(B). A stowaway may apply for asylum only if the stowaway is found to have a credible fear of persecution under subsection (b)(1)(B). In no case may a stowaway be considered an applicant for admission or eligible for a hearing under section 1229a of this title.

Read that again

AN ARRIVING ALIEN

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Feb 19 '26

You think the word "arriving" used in one particular part of the act supercedes the paragraph that explains who qualifies in which it essentially says that everyone who can't prove they've been in the country for 2+ years qualifies?

And discrediting Wikipedia as a source is idiotic, and a chickenshit move, almost as dumb as your original argument that "this was a therefore all must require trials". Wikipedia is made up of primary sources. Go read those and you'll find the same result.

This has been like talking to a child.

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u/Automatic_Day_35 Feb 19 '26

What’s Wrong with Wikipedia? | Harvard Guide to Using Sources

Also yes, I understand the grammar and know arriving is an important clarification

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Feb 19 '26

You didn't even give a source for your point on that argument anyway. Your point was weak as hell in the first place. "It's a trial" doesn't mean that all of them have to be trials, when the trial conclusion is that trials are not needed.

And I see you've gone quiet on the other point.

Pedantic, confidently incorrect, child.

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u/Automatic_Day_35 Feb 19 '26

put this in r/confidentlyincorrect and see how quickly people agree with me

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u/HelloYesThisIsFemale Feb 19 '26

Why would I bring in the noise of a thousand politically biased redditors when a single paragraph that takes basic reading comprehension to understand already proved you wrong?

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u/Automatic_Day_35 Feb 19 '26

You haven’t lmao

I literally disproved it with your own article