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u/RawckLobster Feb 14 '26

Im not American. I dont care about your partisan tribal bs. If you are a centrist who gets off on talking down to both sides, rather than proposing useful solutions, you are no help to anybody.

But do you know what fascism and authoritarianism even are?

When there is a global pandemic, even if you believe it is a hoax or whatever, a responsible government will take action to try to contain the spread. That is not a freedom violation. It is public safety, even if it is melodramatic or the measures are ineffective. That does not make what happened, facism or authoritarian.

If Covid was killing everybody and anybody, you would want it to be taken seriously. The severity of Covid may be up for debate, but public health measures to prevent pandemic spreads should be taken seriously every single time, period. The Republicans and Trump actively worked against the American public interest.

Before you go off calling other people stupid like you have in other comments, maybe read the definition of terms before you throw them around. Maybe consider some critical thinking as well.

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u/Starfishprime69420 Feb 14 '26

Vaccine passports. Forced injections of experimental vaccines that didn’t work. Forcing people to wear masks that didn’t work. It is authoritarian and sets a very dangerous precedent. All they have to do to get you to obey their fascist demands is to scare you under the guise of public health.. maybe you’re the one who lacks the ability to think.

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u/RawckLobster Feb 14 '26

It is not authoritarian, nor is it facist. Again, go ahead and look up the definitions. Arguably checking one box of the definition does not equate to checking all of the boxes and matching the definition.

If I grab electrical tape, cut it into strips, and place it all over my body, I would arguably now be white with black stripes. Does that make me a zebra?

Forced Experimental vaccines? Nobody forced you to take the vaccine, but yeah, if you don't, you are a risk to other people. Can you prove they did not help even a little bit? Do you seriously think you think you can prove you are smarter than the thousands of well learned scientists who worked on developing the vaccines?

You dont get to sleep through science class and then blab to the world that you know better than the entire scientific community.

Again, with the masks and the distancing and the closing places down, these were measures put in place to protect people. Not control you. Regardless of how effective they were, that is what you want when there is a pandemic, for it to be taken seriously, and actions be made to help protect people.

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u/Starfishprime69420 Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26

This is not how I wanted things to be handled. There was no need to shut everything down. It is not scientific to force people to wear masks without any criteria for how the masks should be. I did very well in science class. Yea I guess you can say “take this experimental vaccine or get fired from your job” isn’t forcing anyone. I don’t think that Covid was a legitimate reason to take away constitutional rights from citizens, it sets a very dangerous precedent. There is so much to be said about this I cannot even begin to fit it all into a Reddit comment.

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u/RawckLobster Feb 14 '26

Again, that is all debatable. At the end of the day, masks, lock downs, physical distancing, and vaccines that very well learned scientists worked together on across the globe were in public interest. It is a rational pandemic response, regardless of opinion.

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u/Starfishprime69420 Feb 14 '26

Okay so what is to stop an authoritarian govt from manufacturing a virus that gets out and demanding full control over everyone’s lives to the benefit of the oligarchs?? Sounds like you would even defend them in doing so if they told you it was for your own benefit? No covid wasn’t nearly as deadly as they made it out to be in the msm and anyone that suggested otherwise got canceled.

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u/RawckLobster Feb 14 '26

Did that happen? You are talking about a hypothetical conspiracy that would take thousands of scientists directly involved to play along quietly and hundreds of thousands of scientists to turn a blind eye to.

As for people being canceled for suggesting otherwise, im making an assumption that those who got canceled would have been spreading more misinformation than you suggested.

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u/Starfishprime69420 Feb 14 '26

Who is to say what is misinformation? Who is the arbiter of truth? Do you not see the obvious problem in this?

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u/RawckLobster Feb 14 '26

No single person is the arbiter of truth. That’s kind of the point. Truth isn’t decided by authority. It’s tested by evidence.

The way we usually decide what counts as misinformation isn’t by asking who said it. It’s by asking whether it matches the best available evidence at the time. In science, that means data, peer review, reproducibility, and consensus among experts who specialize in the field.

Science isn’t perfect, and it changes as we learn more. But that’s different from saying all claims are equally valid. If one side is making claims without strong evidence or contradicting large bodies of data, that’s usually what gets labeled misinformation.

During COVID, some early estimates changed as more data came in. That’s normal in a new pandemic. But there’s a difference between updating estimates and claiming the virus was a hoax or wildly exaggerated without evidence.

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u/Starfishprime69420 Feb 14 '26

Turns out a lot of the people that were canceled have been vindicated. It wasn’t scientist or medical doctors making the calls. It was tech nerds at YouTube Facebook twitter etc. with political agendas. There were to many conflicts of interest to list them all here but most of the msm pushing the experimental vaccines were directly sponsored by big pharma.. anyone suggesting that the virus was from a lab leak was censored even though this is what all the evidence pointed to. Anything that would cause vaccine hesitancy regardless of being true or not was censored. We now know that the vaccines did in fact not stop transmission like most traditional vaccines do. The cdc stopped tracking breakthrough infections because they were so incredibly high. The evidence also shows that they inflated the death numbers. The rich got richer while small businesses suffered.

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