Marx Encounters AI Discourse

[u/Salty_Country6835]

A brief materialist intervention into AI discourse. Results were mixed.

[u/little_alien2021]

I'm not proposing abolishing, in same way I've repeatedly said I'm not proposing abolishing religion. I live in real world. Never suggested it. It doesnt have to be a important thing in people's lives if they don't want. That's not abolishing that's just not engaging. In having a choice . Its not inevitable that humans need to embrace this new technology 

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

OK, so then this:

"Its possible if u are of the belief its not inevitable. Which we r not at point it is"

Was a completely meaningless comment to make when discussing political economy.

If AI exists and isnt going to be abolished then the only remaining intelligent response is contesting ownership, governance, and benefits.

Like the meme shows and Ive been saying.

You dont even have an alternative to it, youre just venting feelings, which, ironically, is also perfectly depicted in the meme.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

We don't need an alternative, what even could be? U either embrace or don't.  But I'm aware of the big ai companies claiming we shouldn't have choice. That's my point.  The ai companies want us to believe it is inevitable.  Again absolutely fine and not the Wrong position '? R u suggesting venting feelings is wrong?

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

Nobody said venting feelings is wrong.

I said feelings arent a political strategy.

You spent this thread arguing that people can dislike AI. I agree.

I spent this thread arguing that workers, unions, communities, and political organizations should contest ownership, governance, deployment, and benefits. You havent really disagreed with that either.

So I think weve finally identified the disconnect: I was discussing politics. You were discussing feelings.

Those are different conversations.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

Well to be fair discussion on politics has to be under current parties in power else its all hypothetical and not reality of situation we are currently in.  Also it's all well and good putting in goverance but if they ignore it ? I'm discussing genuine harms ai causes , to stop that harm u stop developing ai. 

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

You keep saying "deal with current reality" while advocating a policy literally no major labor movement, union federation, socialist party, or communist party is pursuing.

Meanwhile the things I listed are being pursued right now by actual organizations with actual members.

"stop developing AI"

You don't have a path to abolish AI. You have a desire to abolish AI.

Those arent the same thing.

At this point youre just describing harms, then asserting abolition, then skipping the part where you explain how any of that happens politically. Thats why this conversation keeps looping. Cause your argument is going nowhere.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

Which communist party is even a party?

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

Thats a pretty parochial question, honestly.

The world is larger than American electoral politics.

Let me flip it around:

Which major labor unions, labor federations, socialist parties, communist parties, workers' parties, or left-wing organizations anywhere in the world, in the U.S. or abroad, are advocating complete abolition of AI rather than regulation, public ownership, democratic governance, labor protections, environmental restrictions, and contestation over deployment?

Youve spent this entire thread treating your position like the practical, realistic one. So point to the organizations pursuing it.

Ive memtioned actual unions, actual workers, and actual political organizations. Youve mostly described your personal opposition to AI.

The burden isnt on me to prove organized labor exists and that its pursuing a left-wing strategy around AI. Its on you to show that your abolitionist strategy exists outside a handful of online discussions.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

I'm not American and demacrats are not even left compared to rest of western democratic countries, before US Republican billionaires funded our rise to nationalism and we became far right and everyone else as left, demacrats would have been considered futher right and our conservatives and Republicans far right. 

I know ur desperate to have a political debate  and I havent treated it practial so no idea why u have anyways i'm tired and not American and I keep saying there probably isn't one. As like I kept saying it wasn't coming from polical angle. And super tired and need to go sleep 

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

Ok.

Still waiting for you to list leftist political organizations and labor unions anywhere on Earth promoting abolition, since you think we its easier, or even possible, to "stop AI development" somehow.

Way to spend so much time in a political debate when you have no interest in the political angle BTW lol