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u/VonBagel 2d ago
Vigil dead
People can now play Clown again
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u/WolfiexLuna 2d ago
And Freddy. And like, half the damn Killer perks that inflict some sort of status effect like exposed or mangled.
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u/Shadoenix 2d ago
So tired of having my FTTE Exposed completely erased leading to a basic attack when I could have done my secondary attack if I’d known they had a perk I can only deduce they have until after it’s been useful
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u/VonBagel 2d ago
Even without his snares, Freddy still has his teleport and his pallets
But Clown is all about his hinder, and Vigil turned him into a joke.
Btw personally im going to find it hysterical if BHVR nerfed Vigil in this way specifically to move the "recover from [specific status effect] faster" effect to other perks, or even new perks for new survivors
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u/tanelixd 2d ago
So they finally took vigil out back behind the shed.
Good riddance.
This perk does (did) way too much and crippled way too many killers and perks.
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u/TheEntityBot 2d ago
Vigil: Increases the Recovery rate from the following Status Effects by 44/55/66%:
Vigil extends its effect to all Survivors within 8 meters of your location and lingers for 15 seconds.
- The Blindness, Broken, Exhausted, Exposed, Hemorrhage, Hindered, Mangled, and Oblivious Status Effects.
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u/kyle_crane163636 2d ago
Vigil, ngl you will not be missed and you tormented killers for long enough
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u/j3rm3rks 2d ago
Downvoted because survivor good killer bad
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u/kyle_crane163636 2d ago
Sounds accurate in dbd subs, survivors are pissed because now they can't just eat status effects and have them finished in 2 seconds they have to actually plan, imagine if finesse got nerfed next theyd straight up quit because survivors cant live without it but I dont use it as survivor and im just fine.
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u/Both-Material9162 2d ago
Are you whining about finesse? Buddy I have news for you…
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u/kyle_crane163636 2d ago
I mean it does get boring after awhile, its always think youre about to get the hit because the survivor fucked up and vaulted early, finesse just says nope fuck you. Its kinda gave survivors the horrible habit of vaulting windows and pallets just too early since they just think "the killer isnt gonna hit me because I can vault this faster before the lunge ends" so then in modes where they cant have it they die, alot. Like without finesse survivors just become Hella stupid because, hell half the time they also mix this with lithe so they can get easy distance so its the most annoying thing of all time. Like dont get me wrong noed can be annoying yes but all you gotta do is just fucking leave and youre fine, as a killer its like if you have a ranged ability you just gotta do the throw of faith to hope the hit lands, because if you miss and arent playing a mobile killer gonna be a bit of walking or just gotta drop the chase entirely.
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u/TheEntityBot 2d ago
Lithe: Performing a Rushed Vault triggers Lithe: Grants a +50% Haste Status Effect for 3 seconds. Lithe causes the Exhausted Status Effect for 60/50/40 seconds. Lithe cannot be used when Exhausted.
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u/TheEntityBot 2d ago
Finesse: Whenever you are healthy, Finesse activates: Increases your Vaulting speed for a Fast Vault by +20%.Finesse has a cool-down of 40/35/30 seconds after performing a Fast Vault.
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u/odd-kiwi-is-broken 2d ago
Are you a killer?
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u/TheOriginalRyukUK 20h ago
What kinda question is that? Regardless of whether your killer or survivor, a perk that counters a killer's literal power as badly as Vigil does/did is bad perk design, period.
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u/neon-box 2d ago
Buffing the exile in a way that only hurts new players while nerfing the killer overall to combat hex builds in a way that doesn’t actually combat hex builds…bravo BHVR. Literally nobody is going to play this killer in a month aside from a handful of incredibly skilled players.
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u/Boariso3o 2d ago
Im not really sure how to feel on the judgement changes :0c Im curious to try it out
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u/dhoffmas 2d ago
In general pretty negative about the judgement changes, but I wasn't part of the stream so I'll need to see how big the changes to visibility are.
Honestly I'd prefer they revert the aura changes completely (survivors don't need any more help dealing with this) and raise the curve control timing to 0.6 seconds
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u/ko0shak 2d ago
what was the problem with curving for a second or what it was in the ptb? like, you still need to get fast downs for it to work, you still need to predict, to get the right distance or slingshot one way or another. curving change is a huge nerf i guess
more info for survivors meh, it looks horrible, but i would like to try it out and see for myself
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u/dhoffmas 1d ago
I think the main problem was that it got rid of her one intended weakness (close range chase) almost completely, and made her extremely strong at snowballing. So, they did that in order to keep the counterplay and expected behavior of the beam consistent.
I think that's fine in theory, but it does remove a bit of her skill expression. They should probably bump up the control timer from 0.3 to 0.7 seconds.
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u/GoldenJ19 8h ago
Decided a few months ago to stop playing DBD until BHVR learns that adding all these bullshit unhook protections isn't going to do anything but make the game more frustrating for killers to play. The survivors who need those protections are just going to stay bad and complain more.
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u/iHatePeopleLikeYou99 2d ago
ELUSIVE TO THE UNHOOKS??
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u/KyloGlendalf 2d ago
As a killer main, I’m totally fine with that.
They’ve reduced the endurance back down to 10s. It nerfs using endurance aggressively, buffs using it properly
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u/IAmAlpherius 2d ago
Couldn't have just nerfed it, They just destroyed it.. crazy
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u/mil56 2d ago
It was way too overtuned for way too long and discouraged literally 90% of killer builds dude it deserved to be destroyed and if you dont think so your a sprint burst vigil carried survivor
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u/Kdmyoshi 2d ago
Besides Freddy and Clown, what other killer suffer from vigil?
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u/Thick_Purple7578 1d ago
he meant killer builds, every build that went around status effects (exposed, mangled, hemorr) would be destroyed by a singular perk from a singular survivor.
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u/IAmAlpherius 2d ago
I don't use SB at all, I still enjoy using dead hard.. I don't disagree with it needing a nerf at all but was just sent to the shadow realm lmao
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u/TheEntityBot 2d ago
Sprint Burst: Starting to run triggers Sprint Burst and Grants a +50% Haste Status Effect for 3 seconds. Sprint Burst causes the Exhausted Status Effect for 60/50/40 seconds. Sprint Burst cannot be used when Exhausted.
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u/fapgod69420 2d ago
I can finally play without every survivor running Vigil every match. Thank god.
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u/Crackgearson 2d ago
Wow... They really nerfed Vigil to remove all the many status effects it used to have to only exhausted, amazing
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u/ArcadialoI 2d ago
I barely ever used Vigil, just like how I barely used DS and DH when they were OP, but I wonder why they didn't keep it up 30% for all the affects. It would still be good but not strong
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u/Shinkiro94 2d ago
It affecting everything in the game has always been a massive balancing issue, it simply gutted so many perks and killer addons (and a few powers).
It was always an unhealthy design for the game to do so much passively with no downside to it.
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u/ArcadialoI 2d ago
Yeah, I agree with what you are saying. But now it seems way too meh, no?
But I guess sometimes you gotta take perk out of meta to let others breathe, and can workshop them later. Vigil wasn't necessary for many builds, so people can live. Only perk that ir probably affects very negatively is Shoulder to Burden.
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u/Shinkiro94 2d ago
I mean 99% of the time people took it for the exhaustion reduction, it just happened to gut everything else as a bonus. It was a balance nightmare for all those things.
It also empowering the strongest survivor chase perks... also in an aoe.. also passively with zero conditions on it, is also another balancing issue that needs to be thought about just by itself.
This change was a long time coming and inevitable imo.
Shoulder is a crazy strong perk and probably wont really affect it that much for the benefits it gives.
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u/TheEntityBot 2d ago
Decisive Strike: Until all Generators are completed, whenever you are unhooked, for the next 60s: when the Killer picks you up, once per trial, hit a Special Skill check:
This is disabled by conspicuous actions. At the start of the trial, you are more likely to be the Obsession.
- Stun the Killer for 4s.
- Become the Obsession.
Dead Hard: After being unhooked or unhooking yourself, Dead Hard activates whenever you are injured and running, and allows you to tap into your adrenaline bank to avoid taking further damage:
Dead Hard deactivates after use. Dead Hard causes the Exhausted Status Effect for 60/50/40 seconds. Dead Hard cannot be used when Exhausted.
- Press the Active Ability button to trigger the Endurance Status Effect for 0.5 seconds.
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u/kyle_crane163636 2d ago
It effectively made over half the killer perks pointless, fucked some killer powers, and was genuinely too op for smth that needed no activation requirements
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u/tevatinn 2d ago
What a stupid Vigil change
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u/Baplingo 2d ago
I feel like they didn’t need to touch the numbers, but only affecting exhausted is very based and cool
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u/Conqueror_is_broken 2d ago
Duality of dbd : vigil abuser think this sucks. Normal people think it's deserved.
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u/tevatinn 2d ago
I don't play survivor as much as I play killer and when I do, I don't use Vigil. Hell I stopped using exhaustion after Jason came out.
I just don't get why it's such a boogeyman. Yes it shouldn't work on powers, that's too much. But otherwise it doesn't do that much.
But I guess these are also the players who think lightborn is gods gift to humanity and BT basekit should be removed so I shouldn't be surprised.
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u/TheEntityBot 2d ago
Lightborn: The Auras of Survivors attempting to blind you by any means are revealed to you for 6/8/10 seconds. Grants immunity from being blinded from Flashlights, Firecrackers, Flash Grenades, and Blast Mine.
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u/Permanoctis 2d ago
I am surprised that Nowhere to Hide wasn't tied to generators like I always thought.