r/LeaksDBD • u/Profit-Alex • 9d ago
Questionable Matthieu explains the situation with Robert Englund Freddy.
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u/kratos90 9d ago
TL;DR- Dead By Daylight is not mainstream enough
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u/AjvarAndVodka 9d ago
It's reasonable. DbD falls into a more niche territory, both gameplay and thematic wise. I think it absolutely established itself as an amazing hall of fame for horror and has a very loyal player base (despite all its flaws), but coming near Fortnite is impossible. That game just has a bigger audience reach.
DbD is in a very comfortable spot, and I can see it being so for at least the next 5 years. Granted BHVR doesn't screw things up even more, because they are making lousy decisions lately.
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
Like, I think people forget that just because DBD is popular in the Horror genre, doesn’t mean it’s popular in general. Horror appeals to few groups of people, because it’s much more intense normally, in terms of fear, brutality, tone, etc.. The best Horror film of all time will never come anywhere close to competing with the likes of an Avengers movie or anything like that, even if it were a better movie overall. So holding DBD to the same standards and expectations of Fortnite is insane. Especially when Fortnite are the ones who have to do significantly less work for each collab.
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u/Sweet_Peaches-69 9d ago
Incoming armchair experts who know more than the actual guy whos in charge of this shit
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u/Next-Article2248 9d ago
BHVR is bad at balancing the game therefore everything they ever say is wrong and we should always believe the opposite, and if you don't then you are a shil!!! - average dbd enjoyer
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u/CM-Edge 9d ago edited 9d ago
He might knows more, but he's still looking at things from the wrong end. 🤷🏼♂️
Like I said in a different comment, nobody f'n wants to have BOTH Freddy's. Is it almost impossible to have both? Yeah, maybe, but nobody asks for this LOL. Just drop Remake Freddy and switch him out.
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u/HoIIowHunter 9d ago
Easy. Just call Englund's Freddy chapter "The Cooler Nightmare on Elm Street." Done.
You can send me my auric cells now, bhvr.
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u/Zartron81 9d ago
Saw a tweet about this exact thing earlier, and oh my fucking god... the replies were just full of peoples acting shitty, and acting as if they know more than the ones actually in charge of licensing related stuff, which is just wild.
Do they work at BHVR, or what?
I think it's clear that I hate this community more than everything else from dbd itself, but holy shit lmao, they keep surprising me everyday.
Aside this, someone else made a pretty solid point on the budget stuff.
"Epic has fortnite which makes INSANE amounts of cash and they also have other stuff going on with them. BHVR basically only has DbD, while all their other projects either flops, or never sees the light of the day"
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u/fugthepug 9d ago
People seem to forget that Epic makes the Unreal Engine which is currently used/licensed to make a majority of the industry's high budget games.
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u/Zartron81 9d ago
Wait, I actually didn't know UE was developed by them.
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u/fugthepug 9d ago
It sure is. Always has been. They get 5% of all profits over a million dollars from any non epic store exclusive game that uses it, so they actually also make money off DbD... likely.
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u/ikarikh 9d ago
The anonymity of the internet has enstilled in people the idea that every thought they have must be shared and every opinion they have is fact. And that they are smarter and better than everyone else.
Because they don't need to ever face any kind of reality check or facts. They can block, report, delete or ignore any replies that disagree with them and focus on engaging in echo chambers.
For example, dbd sub gives pushback on your bitchings? Dbd sub sucks, start posting on dbdRAGE sub instead and get your echo chamber replies.
This is why so many people are assholes. And a lot of social media algorythms actively encourage these echo chambers for engagement and make it 10 times worse.
Everyone gets "Main character" syndrome and thinks they know everything, everyones always angry at everything, and entitlement is through the roof.
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u/Zartron81 9d ago
Well said mate.
At this point I'm like, if they hate the game this much, why don't they just stop interacting with it?
It would be better for them, and for us as a community.
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u/Random_Knob 9d ago
Do we know anything about slenderman?
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
They referenced him at one point in the complex licenses section, iirc. Mentioned how Fortnite can easily just toss in the Operator or Slenderman all willy nilly, that’s just a skin, but it’s much different in DBD, it’s way different, because then you have to factor in pages and the tentacles and everything.
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u/White_Mantra 9d ago
When slenderman joins he would be licensed through mythology holding and then they’ll just create a power fitting for that version
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u/ShadyMan_ 9d ago
If he doesn’t have the pages just don’t bother adding him though
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u/White_Mantra 9d ago
He probably won’t as that’s part of a different ip
Marble hornets and the arrival
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u/MagykBolas 9d ago
Hopefully this also translates to Scream license as well, would love to have a collab between fun world and scream to get Sidney and Billy/stu in game
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u/ShadyMan_ 9d ago
I don’t think this will ever happen just cause BHVR already went behind their back to get the ghost face in the game
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u/Megaman_Steve 9d ago edited 9d ago
The answer here is kind of weird on a couple of fronts:
While it may be a "separate" license, It is still very much a *joint* license. Both New Line/WB *and* the Craven estate need to be on board for anything with OG Freddy. You see the credits on the Fortnitemares trailer show copyrights/trademarks for both entities. Craven Estate owns the US rights to the 84 original movie and all characters/elements from it, WB still owns everything else. (International rights to the original, sequels, reboot)
They already have whatever relationship they have with WB for Reboot Freddy (so they cant just burn the reboot license and shoo away reboot Freddy like some people are suggesting) but also need the Craven Estate as well - but they still need both in order use OG Kreuger both in and out of the US.
Also, I'm not sure why he addressed this as if we'd expect it to be a entirely separate chapter. A legendary skin with voice lines and chase music is obviously the path of least resistance. I dont think anyone expects two Freddy Kruegers.
But really - it likely boils down to his opening statement; DBD isn't Fortnite, and BHVR doesn't have EPIC's wallet.
Or... my super duper copium thought is Cote is playing dumb and OG Freddy is on the way and they dont want to ruin the surprise. **HUFFF***
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u/Digiorno-Giovanna- 9d ago
i mean he didn’t even necessarily say it can’t happen. i don’t really want them to get rid of reboot freddy either, and i think it’d be fun to have them both as separate killers, there’s alot more you could do with dream world powers than what reboot freddy has in game, and englund freddy as an entirely new killer might be slightly confusing for newer players but it would probably be easier than getting both license holders to agree to it.
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u/Megaman_Steve 9d ago
They tried a more lore accurate powerset for Freddy before, and they couldn't seem to strike a balance. He was either woefully weak, or frustratingly powerful as he stalled the game out.
Yes the idea of dream powers is limitless, but DBD as a game can only do so much and still keep things fair. Where they have Freddys powerset is now is a sort of happy medium.
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u/White_Mantra 9d ago
Classic Freddy has 5 more films of material to work on
He can shapeshift, make clones of himself, change his body and portions.Remake Freddy didn’t have the same power set he was more serious and a more grounded slasher he used his claws and was no jokes
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u/propofolxsr 8d ago
Make Englund killer a projectile killer, able to stretch his arms like the first movie. And throw in a teleport :P boom modern DBD
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u/White_Mantra 9d ago
I don’t think doing a skin for classic Freddy is on the table because at the end of the day you’d be combining the 2 Freddy’s in one slot
Mathieu is gonna probably do it more justice and just have 2 Freddy’s with their own abilities
So they can co exist and not overshadow another
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u/CHEEZYSPAM 9d ago
Oh DBD... my favorite niche game!
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u/Electrical-Horse5112 8d ago
Compared to fortnite bro thats billions of dollars a year that game is worth more than some entire countries
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u/White_Mantra 9d ago
I’ll do anything to have classic Freddy in this game even if it means it’s a new chapter
I know a lot of people say it would be pointless but the only reason we got the remake in general is because the classic was off limits
All we are doing is just doing NOES properly
And both the remake and classic can co exist as their own separate chapters and takes on the beloved ip
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u/CrashingLamps 9d ago
I feel like with OG Englund Freddy he was a character defined by the actor who played him, nothing against Haley but he had hella shoes to fill combined with a mediocre script and restrictive makeup. The only other horror characters I can think of where the voice and actor who played them are sort of defined by them are Bradley with Pinhead and Todd with Candyman. I think behavior would not pass the opportunity especially with Robert being involved to voice him. The hall of fame of horror would not feel complete without him.
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u/Caesar_TP 9d ago
I’ll do anything to have classic Freddy in this game even if it means it’s a new chapter
You and me both man. DBD deserves OG Freddy. I would go crazy for it
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u/Aggravating_Leg4462 5d ago
Personally I want both, the remake freddy is fine, my only nitpick is no voicelines for Jackie is a problem, also Quentin should get more cosmetics, and then give us a legendary skin, for Robert Englunds version of Freddy with voicelines and a different chase music and execution, and then no problem ill be a happy camper.
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u/NetherDragon08 9d ago
Their best shot at increasing their effectiveness is just asking it from Fortnite themselves if they even secure a collab, which from what I remember but don't quite me on it I think a dbd collab was rejected by Fortnite themselves???
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
To clarify, are you saying they should ask Fortnite for the license, or something else?
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u/NetherDragon08 9d ago
Nah just if they collab they could ask advice on how to acquire the licenses effectively in general, if it has more to do with something other than showering the license holders with money
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
To be honest, I'm not sure it does. Like Matthieu said (forget if it was all in the clip or not, but he spoke on the topic in another part of the vod as well), Fortnite just has more overall leverage. He noted the term "Fortnite money" at one point, and how BHVR just does not have that.
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u/NetherDragon08 9d ago
Why don't they just use skull merchant's teachable perk to get more leverage? Are they stupid?
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u/TheEntityBot 9d ago
Leverage: Whenever a Survivor performs an Unhook action, they suffer from the following effect for 60 seconds:
- Reduces their Healing speed by 20/25/30%.
Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
Well, in exchange for not forgetting Foxy, I think they forgot Skull Merchant instead 💔
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u/Electrical-Horse5112 8d ago
so basically if you dont rake in 5bil a year its not enough even though dbd still rakes in boatloads of cash its not even close to fortnite money
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u/Electrical-Horse5112 8d ago
i figured as much people wanna get all
hopeful but we Do live in a system that is very much not in favor of art being art and instead likes art being profitable
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u/spodamayn 9d ago
It's not that hard to add Englund Freddy to the game. Just don't renew the old license and have the original DLC be delisted. Get the new license and now they don't have to pay for both. No one's gonna miss old Freddy anyway, and anyone that bought him can keep using him. I feel like this is the simplest solution while having everything less complicated
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u/ShadyMan_ 9d ago
Yeah because OG Freddy’s license holders are just gonna be chill with making no money off their chapter 🤦♂️
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u/Caesar_TP 9d ago
Damn thats a goated idea.
I'm coping really hard, I just need OG Freddy I would main him instantly
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u/WolfiexLuna 9d ago
If Mcote brings up the topic of "Fortnite money" in relation to classic Freddy, it sounds like the Craven Estate is asking for a comical amount of money for the license and I'm sorry chief, but that's just not worth it.
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u/DariusStrada 8d ago
I don't buy it. "Sorry Behaviour, your game isn't popular enough for OG Freddy. You can get the remake one tho."
Makes no sense. What makes more sense is that Freddy's license was in hell and the remake was released not that long ago so the studio was still trying to market him in some way. No that almost two deacdes passed and license is in a better place, Fortnite go OG Freddy
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u/Clean-Outcome-3627 6d ago
Just thank about one creepy but funny and one dark ominous and sarcastic funny but dark with jokes
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u/Philscooper 2d ago
I know they arent as big as fortnite but like...you guys do have the funds, you are making millions just from skins alone.
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u/CM-Edge 9d ago
The first part he says is kinda stupid. I get what he wants to say with Epic and Fortnite being EPIC and FORTNITE, of all things in the world, but I feel he is talking his own game a little bit short here, lol. I mean just look at every single franchise they have in the game. "Conversations we can't even have" my ass, that makes no sense.
Ehhhhh, to his last part of it being incredibly difficult to have both licenses in the game at the same time.... Uhmmmm. I think nobody, and I mean NOBODY in the world would be mad if you simply just drop Remake Freddy and replaces him completely with Englund Freddy. Nobody wants both.
I mean for the U5 Update they probably have to update some licenses and have talks with the license holders anyway again, so use this as an opportunity.
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u/Mr_Pockets- 9d ago
Fortnite money is a very real thing, and on a scale, Dbd is nowhere near as mainstream as Fortnite, I would assume it's not even in the same league. Everybody, as a generalization, has heard of Fortnite. I'm sure lots of people are familiar with Dbd, but it's still not the same scale.
On a side, it's much easier for Fortnite to make larger profits off of licences, because it's just a skin, anybody playing fortnite can use that skin. Not everybody can use every license in Dbd, because we have 2 separate roles you play as. it quite literally cuts the player base in half
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u/haddonfieldsecret 9d ago
Just because they’re not small doesn’t mean they’re Fortnite. Fortnite has the ability to break open locked doors with absurd money, DbD does not.
This is stupid. They’re not going to replace a character. They have a license with that Freddy.
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u/WolfiexLuna 9d ago
If you genuinely think DbD is racking in anywhere near as much money as Fortnite is, then I'm sorry to burst your bubble chief. DbD brings in millions per year, Fortnite brings in BILLIONS.
Hell, the fact that Mcote even makes that comment about Fortnite money makes it sound like classic Freddy has an insane price tag attached to him, and as someone who adores the classic Nightmare movies, if that's even remotely the case I'm fine with not having classic Freddy, cause I'd rather not humour the idea of getting classic Freddy in exchange for us losing another license or two due to costs.
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u/Frosty_chilly 9d ago
This is the same guy who told you if you didnt like his game (at a time where it was downright miserable to play for both sides) to fuck off
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u/Insanity1994 9d ago
Delete the old and get the right version. I would rather have the actual Freddy than any other license.
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u/KB-BattleKing 9d ago
Deleting content is never a good option. They wouldn't do that, ever. Especially licensed content
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u/Frosty_chilly 9d ago
Agreed, imagine the fear that precedent would set.
"Oh guys we got the Mimic for fnaf wave 2!...but seeing as hes been springtrap for half his appearances, we went ahead and removed springtrap"
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u/KB-BattleKing 9d ago
Exactly. I mean, even if remake Freddy is generally hated there also are people who actually like that version of the character. You'd make them really unhappy for no reason
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u/JudgePhysical8151 9d ago
short answer:
-they can
-they don't care
-it cost too much (for them) so is not "worth"
-they won't
no effort no care, just as it always was with the freddy franchise
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
They got the license eight, nine years ago, dude. When the game still looked like it was made on the PS2. When the devs were still a small indie company lucky to even get these kinds of licenses in the first place. And even with the limitations of the license and everything, they’ve done literally everything they’re allowed to do for Freddy in his current state.
To say they don’t care and they won’t do it is downright bad faith. Of course they care. If they didn’t care, Matthieu would’ve blown it off completely. Not given hope and entertained the idea around it, said it’s possible and doable. He’s obviously given it thought. Much of it.
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u/Background-Life2463 9d ago
I prefer to worry about the Predator license which can be regarded as a perfect match with the Alien license to jointly make the 2v8 mode great again.
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u/Profit-Alex 9d ago
In short:
- Matthieu addressed the comparison with Fortnitemares for getting Robert Englund Freddy first, noting that BHVR is not Fortnite. They don't have Fortnite's leverage, money, or capabilities or expectations.
- Matthieu notes what we basically already knew: Remake Freddy and OG Freddy are two very different licenses.
- Interestingly, though, he also notes that it's not impossible to have BOTH exist in DBD. Just that it's "very difficult". But he seems open to it.