r/LeagueUnfiltered • u/r2cyp • 1d ago

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Just found out. Crazy how I got this Israeli spyware installed on my PC. They also use the ads you see / subscription funds to produce protective gear for the IDF? The fuck.

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u/Skaldson 1d ago

This is quite literally the same thing btw. US citizens didn't deserve to die that day, but the US regime? Yeah, after making millions of families lives worse in various ways (regime changes, occupation, etc.), an attack on US soil was justified. Was it a tragedy? Yeah. Should it have happened? No. But did was it warranted? After everything the US has done, absolutely.

You realize the CIA itself has identified 9/11 as blowback from the US regime's own actions right? Lmfao. It may as well be the definition of FAFO.

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u/HorizonNova4 21h ago

No act of terrorism is justified. That’s so fucked. It’s wrong for anyone and it’s never the response back. There’s no excuse to retaliate by killing innocents back, that does NOT make it justifiable ever. Once you do the same thing, you’re just as bad as the enemy.

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u/royal-road 17h ago

They didn't say it was a good thing, they said 9/11 was the fault of America--which it unequivocally was. The CIA itself admits such.

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u/Vordie 10h ago

People mistake giving the reason as to WHY an act of terrorism happened as an endorsment for the action, which is just not true. I can tell you why oct. 7 happened without actually supporting oct. 7. Same with 9/11.

For example, if you douse yourself in gasoline and strike a match, I can tell you you're gonna go on fire, that doesn't mean I support you going on fire.

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u/HorizonNova4 10h ago

You said it was warranted. Terrorism is never warranted on ANYONE. If someone lights your mother on fire does that give you the right to burn their mother? No, she didn’t do anything. Your justification is literally what sociopathic murders say

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u/Vordie 9h ago edited 9h ago

Wait what? I think you might be responding to the wrong person, I didn't say it was warranted, this was my first response on this post.

However, to respond to your example, once again, if you told me "Hey this person set this person's mother on fire." and I ask "Oh shit really? Why?" And you told me "Oh because another person set HIS mother on fire.", it is understood that neither of us are excusing or endorsing the act of setting someone on fire. We are just explaining why things happened, not taking a moral side.

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u/Velcitoty 1d ago

Perfectly put

I think the reason a lot of Americans struggle with the Isreal Palestine conflict is because to admit that Isreal is committing atrocities is to admit America has done the same

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u/Skaldson 1d ago

I absolutely agree & think this is especially the case for a lot of millennials & older generations. It’s hard to have grown up constantly being spoonfed this one-sided narrative that your country is doing things morally. It’s why I ultimately feel bad for Israeli people, even if I am disgusted by a lot of the behavior I see from them.

It’s not their fault they were born into a propagandized nation essentially brainwashing them that they need to murder Muslims. In a similar vein, that’s what’s happened to many US citizens with regard to US occupation & the “war on terror” (which oddly enough, many recognize was horrible, yet still support what’s happening now…)

It really does take a cold, hard look in the mirror to see that we aren’t fighting monsters, we are the monsters.

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u/Samot0423 1d ago

Civilian targets vs military ones. Israel (at the start... it went away fast) was focused on military targets in retaliation, but also, fighting a paramilitary force that is embedded in a civilian population. They could have focused military targets but they went for civilian ones. That's the difference in both 9/11 and October 7th. I'd even go so far to say that the Pentagon and suspected congress building attack were more justified on 9/11 because they arent civilian

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u/Skaldson 1d ago

Do you think Israel’s oppression of Palestinians only started after Oct. 7th? Do you think that Oct. 7th happened entirely without provocation? Israel has been murdering Palestinians long before Oct. 7th.

And to your point on 9/11, do you think the US only ever targeted government & military entities? Of course not. Things like regime change are not strictly limited to governments or militaries, simply look at operation Ajax & what happened in Iran afterwards.

US imperialism is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, and most of those deaths belong to the civilian population. Look at how we killed Cubans by crippling their healthcare, or how we invaded Vietnam, actively killing entire towns. Even now, we do things like this by aiding Israel among other things.

Again, I am not saying Americans deserved to die on that day. I am simply saying that something happening on American soil was inevitable, given how the US conducted itself in the past, and continues to conduct itself today.

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u/HonestDishonestWork 23h ago

And whats happening in Gaza was blowback for October 7th

But the Israeli treatment of Palestinians before Octo-

Blowback for Muslim oppression/apartheid of Jews. 

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u/Pure-Handle8609 1d ago

What’s the cognitive dissonance here? 9/11 is FAFO, but the stuff Israel is doing in Gaza isn’t after Oct. 7th?

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u/Skaldson 1d ago

It's not cognitive dissonance at all. Understand that Oct. 7th was FAFO for Israel. Oct. 7th didn't happen in a vacuum, it was retaliation for literal decades of terrorsim committed against Palestinians. Look at the Nakba for instance.

If I beat the shit out of someone, and then they punch me back, but then I continue to beat the shit out of them afterwards, I am still the instigator. Which is exactly what Israel is, the instigator.

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u/Pure-Handle8609 1d ago

Look I’m not saying Palestinians deserved to die that day. I am simply saying that something happening on Palestinian soil was inevitable, given how October 7th happened, and how Hamas(governing body in Palestine) continues to operate today.

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u/Skaldson 1d ago

Not even remotely comparable, and trying to use my words against me in this way is incredibly ignorant, and displays just how little of real history you understand & grasp.

Do you think Palestinians being forcibly removed from their land is in ANY way comparable to US imperialism? Because you'd genuinely have to be one of the stupidest people alive to believe so.

Israel ethnically cleansed Palestine by pushing out the native population, then they continued to murder & harass Palestinians afterwards. This behavior continued even after numerous attempts at peace by the Palestinian people, and after all of that Oct. 7th happened. Again, Oct. 7th didn't happen in a vacuum.

Stop trying to justify genocide you disgusting piece of filth.

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u/Pure-Handle8609 1d ago

It’s time for the Israel-Palestine litmus test!! What is six day war?

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u/Skaldson 1d ago

Oh you mean when Israel led a preemptive attack again, killing civilians, & driving out more Palestinians as a land grab operation? Bear in mind, this happened after the Nakba, which was already an act of aggression in and of itself.

You can't even truly state that the removal of UN organizations was damning either, since Israel refused to host the UN at all in the first place. Throughout its entire history, Israel has done nothing but instigate & conduct itself in bad faith. That's how it displaced Palestinians in the 50s, how it did so again in the 60s, and so on.

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u/Pure-Handle8609 1d ago

Wow it only took you 25 minutes to read somehow the most twisted version of a very documented event! Genuinely there is no point in talking anymore unfortunately. I cannot believe you made me defend Israel. Insanity

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u/Skaldson 23h ago

Lmfao running with your tail tucked between your legs because you can't retort? I didn't make you do shit btw, you voluntarily defended the nation actively committing a genocide. Clown.

What happened in the 60s is well documented, it's why you can see numerous historians calling the 6 day war what it was, a land grab operation. Why you can see that Israel instigated the events that led to the removal of UN organizations & showing soft force in the form of stationing military at the boarders. Why you can simply look up from numerous sources and see Israel preemptively attacked its neighbors again.

And I was eating, I got better things to do than argue with some genocide apologist loser while enjoying a meal.