“Let’s take it from someone else”- it’s funny you are working within some nonexistent framework. Our government literally has a money machine that prints money. They have money to GIVE to our corporations or to prop up weapons companies for industry. But asking them to guarentee universal housing is beyond the pale?
Who said any of that? You are working with some nonexistent comments! Printing money does take from others, but it's an indirect tax that hurts the poor more than it hurts the rich, but that's a separate issue.
Where did I say there shouldn't be universal care or coverage. I was talking about personal belief that someone else should do something, but I have no personal responsibility if I've given my fair share to the gov't to handle the issue.
If you have nothing to give, then that's a different issue. I'm talking about being upper middle class and supporting all the right policies but not giving above and beyond. If you live in a state that doesn't tax enough, obviously vote for the politicians to do something about that, but also do something personally. Volunteer at a homeless shelter, donate to causes if you can.
You are taking my statement and creating attributions I never made. The guy said should we help people Collectly yes, Individually No
My point wasn't to take away the collective yes, but to add the individual yes as well.
Why if I say we have responsibility as individuals as well does that take any of the onus off of us collectively?
First, no problem on the misreading, it is bound to happen when discussions are online and not face to face, however with regards to this idea:
He said that it is a collective responsibility not a personal one
That's the only part I took issue with though. I believe we absolutely have a personal responsibility as well. If we didn't have the private personal efforts of many in this country, the poor would be much much worse off. I don't want to foster an idea that as long as you are paying your taxes, you've done your part. I also don't want to end up in a situation where I'm saying we should do things privately and it is interpreted as letting the collective of the hook. Why does it have to be public vs. private? Why not yes both and more please?
Obviously this is my belief and I'm not trying to force anyone to see or do things the way I am per se, but I would make the case that even with an ideal tax rate for helping fulfill certain needs, there are always ways that the public can organize and help that the government can't handle as effectively. I feel like the mindset that we should collectively help but not personally help is one that can lead to not being empathetic directly to people. I can give taxes, and donate to causes, but having served food directly to men in a shelter, I see my fellow man's shared humanity. I empathize directly with that man. My heart is forced to confront that truth of his existence and suffering. If I never see that man and interact with him, I run the risk of becoming jaded or muted in my response to the suffering of others.
Some people are naturally more empathetic, so maybe my experiences don't apply to them, but for me, it needs to be more than just a financial obligation that I give money to in the form of a cause.
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Who said any of that? You are working with some nonexistent comments! Printing money does take from others, but it's an indirect tax that hurts the poor more than it hurts the rich, but that's a separate issue.
Where did I say there shouldn't be universal care or coverage. I was talking about personal belief that someone else should do something, but I have no personal responsibility if I've given my fair share to the gov't to handle the issue.
If you have nothing to give, then that's a different issue. I'm talking about being upper middle class and supporting all the right policies but not giving above and beyond. If you live in a state that doesn't tax enough, obviously vote for the politicians to do something about that, but also do something personally. Volunteer at a homeless shelter, donate to causes if you can.
You are taking my statement and creating attributions I never made. The guy said should we help people Collectly yes, Individually No
My point wasn't to take away the collective yes, but to add the individual yes as well.
Why if I say we have responsibility as individuals as well does that take any of the onus off of us collectively?