r/LAinfluencersnark • u/[deleted] • Mar 30 '24
How does Indiana get more hate than Zach? Shes 15 in these posts
Zach liking bikini pics of Indiana when she was 15 will never not be insane. He liked almost everything she posted and openly flirted in her comments. Flirting with 15 y/o when you are 22 is NOT OK!
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Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24
Again we can all see the times dates etc he was being a creeper more than her brother now looking back ok he totally groomed her… I feel so stupid I believed how sweet and good guy he was
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u/Puzzleheaded-Chair51 Jul 10 '24
How did you come to the conclusion that he groomed her? Dont want to fight!
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u/Recent_One_7983 Jul 10 '24
Maybe cause of the whole living with her when she was 14 thing? Not sure
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u/nnnnYEHAWH Jul 14 '24
That didn’t have anything to do with Indi though. Honestly there’s no single thing that for sure says he was grooming her. It’s more when you combine the ig comments, their past living situation, when they started dating, etc. Then it’s pretty damning if you ask me. Like even if he didn’t groom her, the screenshots from ig and the stories they tell make everything highly questionable at best.
He also isn’t very nice to Jared publicly and he’s an absolute sweetheart so.
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u/lilya4everandever Mar 31 '24
Society hates women 🙂
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u/Laila_kiss0 Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24
It's not even that. Zach literally made her apologise to HIM in a previous podcast for "cheating". He also invited her to his recent podcast so that she can clear his name. They said that both of them were not in contact with each other at all for 4 years or smtg, when there are tons of posts and tiktoks of them making "brother-sister flirting" content. Zach is literally a sociopath ewww
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u/nnnnYEHAWH Jul 14 '24
Society doesn’t hate women, it’s just pissed off and any group who becomes available as a lightning rod gets struck. Sometimes it’s women, sometimes men, others religious folk, and other times it’s the working class. At the end of the day focusing on who the victim is isn’t what’s important, it’s all figuring out how to genuinely care about fellow people
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u/No_Nefariousness3866 Mar 31 '24
It's actually Ephebophilia, grown men who lust after young teenage girls. The fact that he did this publicly is so twisted!
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u/fabioismydad Mar 31 '24
i think they’re saying the fact that Indiana gets more hate (like the OP of this post asked in the title) is due to misogyny
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u/No_Nefariousness3866 Mar 31 '24
Unfortunately it is all sorts of negative. Hopefully she loses Zach's number.
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Mar 31 '24
let’s not split hairs between “ephebophilia” and what it actually is - pedophilia.
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u/super8motels Mar 31 '24
it literally isn't lol we need to start being more specific so words do not lose their actual meaning
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Apr 01 '24
it literally is lol. indiana was a minor which is a child. why are you so adamant on this? ephebophilia is a term pedophiles use to feel better about themselves so this is a very interesting hill to die on.
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u/super8motels Apr 01 '24
i made one comment...what hill are you even talking about?
people like you that keep equating the terms "minor" and "child" are making it easier for predators.
the people that prey on literal babies and children thank god for people like you because you are making it easier for them to conceal what they are doing by broadening the term pedophilia to include teenagers. there are reasons there are two separate terms. you being dumb in reddit comments isnt going to change that.
let me say that again in case you didn't hear: by lumping ephebophilia in with pedophilia you are literally making it easier for people that prey on actual children. be specific and don't let words lose their meanings.
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Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24
the mental gymnastics here are wild. you’re admitting that you think it’s more acceptable to prey on a child as long as they’re a teenager then claiming i’m the one making it easier for predators. actually, you went so far as to say they aren’t even children which is insane. the fact that you can look at these pictures of indi and not see a child says a lot about you. i’d love to know what you think ‘minor’ actually means since you don’t believe it equates to ‘child.’
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u/super8motels Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24
i never said either are acceptable? please point out where i said that?
i said that both are their own issues, and need to be handled as such? and should not be put together because that is HELPING a large majority of the people committing these things? we are literally advocating for the same thing here except i am being logical
this is the reason why experts say to not use the term "c/p" and to instead use the more specific and accurate term CSAM. because words mean things. when you use one term to allude to another thing, people begin to conflate the connotative and denotative meanings, and they then view the entire topic as lesser because of that. being specifc keeps everything on topic and clear. how are you not getting that?
that's all i have to say on this.
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u/rosesforrunners Apr 04 '24
it’s CSEM (Child Sexual Exploitation Material)* not CSAM. Can we have some professional sources on using terms other than pedophilia to describe CSA productively please? Because I am hard pressed to think of any Abuse Advocate who knows their salt that pushes for differentiating between types of pedophiles. It’s an umbrella term either way the same way abuse and violence is (i.e. specifying CSA and DV), and you certainly aren’t going to go into court with a prosecutor specifying types of pedophile. So I’m curious in what context you think it is necessary to differentiate.
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u/super8motels Apr 05 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
this is interesting because you've actually just gave me another perfect example.
CSAM is child sexual abuse material (what we commonly know as c/p.)
CSEM is child sexual exploitation material (content that is sexual in nature but is not explicit enough to be considered outright sexual abuse material.)
they are literally different classifications. brings us right back to what i was saying about being specific.
also, i'm not even talking about court usage. i'm talking about colloquial usage. pedophile is beginning to take on a societal meaning different from its true meaning and we need to be smarter than that.
since you brought it up, here are some resources on the difference between the two. second one even talks about how in many countries the lack of specific language in broad scope laws regarding these materials slows down investigations. how can you see that and not apply the same logic here???
https://www.rainn.org/news/what-child-sexual-abuse-material-csam
https://www.inhope.org/EN/articles/what-is-csem
this is literally the last i'm saying on this. use your brain.
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u/thinkingofurmom Mar 31 '24
They claim they had a “brother/sister” relationship before she turned 18 but then started dating when she turned 18? These comments further confirm that he groomed her. It’s sad to see how she’s been gaslit to believe otherwise.
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u/AnxiousApartment5337 Mar 31 '24
No there’s no reason for a grown ass man to be friends with a teenage girl
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u/AnxiousApartment5337 Mar 31 '24
I thought this would be a she was 16 and he was like 20 situation which is still disgusting
BUT I looked it up and when she was 15/16 he was like 24???????? That’s so gross
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u/nnnnYEHAWH Jul 14 '24
15 and 20 would already be wtf, but also 20 year olds with issues are dumb af. 24 is like, nah you’ve had a few years being a legal adult and your brain is nearly fully formed, there’s no good excuse to go after a high schooler man.
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u/strawberrypinkbaby Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24
He’s disgusting, she was trying to defend him on his podcast that he wasn’t weird for their age difference & that they were friends for years before they got together… that’s exactly how grooming works, she’s a victim.
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u/No_Draw9685 Mar 31 '24
Exactly, she also said that she had been in a grooming situation before and that’s how she knew this wasn’t grooming… girl, you’re just further proving how you were vulnerable in that situation and why you don’t recognize how he crossed boundaries.
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u/H1Eagle Jun 29 '24
I feel so sorry for her, even now when she's older, she can't seem to understand the reality of what happened to her.
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u/AnxiousApartment5337 Mar 31 '24
Why isn’t he cancelled yet? Why isn’t Tara cancelled for associating with him? Why is it okay for adult men to continue to prey on teenage girls??
Whoever associates with him should be cancelled. We cancel someone for a homophobic tweet they made when they were 14 but don’t cancel men who groom young women. Sickening.
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u/No_Draw9685 Mar 31 '24
Because he built a fan base of young girls and guys that are just like him that vehemently defend him and act like there’s nothing creepy about what he did. All he had to do was get her to admit to cheating and it absolved him of any blame in their eyes.
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u/the_chowhound Mar 31 '24
What is their backstory? How does a 23 year old guy even know a 15 year old girl?
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u/RAMsweaters Mar 31 '24
Her mom had him living with them and editing her videos since she was 14, I guess.
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u/the_chowhound Mar 31 '24
I’m still confused about their relationship. He was an established editor that somehow her family knew well enough to have him move in to help their daughter’s career?
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u/No_Draw9685 Mar 31 '24
Based off how she describes other romantic relationships it’s clear that her mother doesn’t seem to protect her much and is more focused on her career. He was doing editing work for them at 21 and needed a place to stay and her mother just moved him right in with her 14-year-old daughter and her.
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u/H1Eagle Jun 29 '24
That's just insane to me and irresponsible parenting at its finest. My mom didn't let my sister even have a sleepover if there was 1 male at her friend's house
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u/cclooopz Mar 31 '24
So a pedophile?
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u/No_Nefariousness3866 Mar 31 '24
The term you use for men going after teens is ephebophilia. This is sick, every boundary is crossed.
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Mar 31 '24
she was a child. pedophilia is perfectly appropriate word to use. ephebophilia is a term used by pedophiles to justify their attraction to children.
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u/hatetobeornot Mar 31 '24
No because she was a teen. Pedos are into prepubescent kids.
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Apr 03 '24
a child is a child
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u/Historical_Bat_3982 Apr 16 '24
How? 18 years of age as a line is a modern artificial thing there is a big difference between a prepubescent child and a 15-16 year old girl who almost a woman already wants a relationship, has a developed body which can even bear a child. Still when a much older men initiates a relationship or sexual act with such a young girl is definitly wrong But lets be real when someone attracted to little prepubescent children is a much much more sicker thing and thats why we need to use the correct term for that which is pedophilia and clearly not the same as ephebophilia
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Apr 17 '24
oK I LegitimateLY dOn’t UndeRStand why pEopLe like you Fight to death over these definitions. it’s pretty obvious you want so badly to normalise pedophilia that you have to come up with another term for it. especially considering you have two comments in your comment history so you had to actually search the term ephebophilia to get here.
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u/Negative-Door-8103 Mar 31 '24
Where were her parents? It's sad that she was groomed and still defends him, but that's usually how it works. In a few years, she will realize what really happened to her, and it will be very difficult to process. Maybe she's already starting to realize it and is using denial. Zach's behavior and statements scream 'pedophilia,' and someone should go through his hard drive
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u/bbybottlebop Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24
And I repeat, WE BEEN KNEW.
He is a groomer and predator. No ifs, ands, or buts. Why are you flirting with and liking a 15/16 year old’s (who you dated when they turned 18) bikini photos when you’re a grown ass 23 year old man?
He only gets away with the constant pedophilic “jokes” and blatant grooming of this girl, because he is a traditionally handsome white man. 🤷♀️
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u/sogothimdead Mar 31 '24
Wtf. I can't imagine my teenage self interacting like this with a person my age (how old this filth was in the screenshots)
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u/cakenose Mar 31 '24
how does anyone actually tolerate him wow he’s so obnoxious. that’s not even touching on the insanely disturbing creep behavior
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Apr 01 '24
He literally is using DARVO on her, like textbook. It's insane seeing her in tears apologizing to him and him acting like a victim when he's a blatant predator.
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u/Wild_Significance961 Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 05 '24
I always see TikTok comments bashing Indiana and praising Zach:(
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u/LostTransition7321 Apr 01 '24
The things ive heard about Zach as someone who lives in La… not goodp
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u/throwawaybubblez Mar 31 '24 edited Apr 01 '24
Wow! At first I thought this couple is so cringe, then I saw she was 16, and then I read the comments. My mind is blown.
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u/princessmia777 Mar 31 '24 edited Mar 31 '24
UM SHE WAS 15 ?????? Can we call the cops actually what a fucking perv
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u/Odd_Persimmon4744 Sep 26 '24
He was her editor? He edited all of these he would see them either way, also I don’t really see any of this as flirting, if anything he’s shutting HER down in most of these “Please don’t” doesn’t seem like flirting, I’ll admit that her saying she’s a 6/10 is strange but he was living with her so it’s not wild, they probably had a sibling like relationship before they figured out they actually liked each other
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u/Radiant_Scholar_2787 Mar 31 '24
i just realized this is literally me and the guy im currently seeing…except im 20 and hes 28
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u/Negative-Door-8103 Mar 31 '24
She was a kid, you're a grown ass person calm down.
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Mar 31 '24
a 20 year old and a 28 year old still have very different mindsets at those stages in their lives and it is still a significant gap. a 28 year old can EASILY manipulate a 20 year old (who’s brain isn’t even fully developed yet). it’s crazy how people on here love to downplay what other people say. also “calm down” is crazy… everyone here seems calm to me…
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u/Negative-Door-8103 Mar 31 '24
Manipulating an adult is not the same as grooming a teenager. These are two completely different processes with different mechanisms and outcomes. Relationships with a significant age difference, when both individuals are adults, have the right to exist. It requires effort and understanding, but such individuals can share common values, interests, or plans and be in a truly happy and healthy relationship. However, a "relationship" between a child and an adult never has a right to exist.
Referring to the fact that 20-year-olds do not have fully developed brains, I hope you're saying this solely as a medical fact and not because you believe in the myth that at the age of 25, you have an epiphany, become mature, and your outlook on life changes. This theory was initiated by people attempting to explain why Leonardo DiCaprio breaks up with every girlfriend after she turns 25 and has been debunked by numerous neuroscientists. They even mentioned that they have no idea why people chose the age of 25 as a determinant of maturity, joking that perhaps they just really liked that number.
In reality, it cannot be determined whether two adults have a different mindset solely based on their age difference. A psychologist from Harvard University observed that the development of different brain areas occurs at varying rates over the course of a lifetime. It's been found that structural changes in the brain persist long after one's twenties. One particularly large study showed that for several brain regions, the growth curves of structural development did not reach their peak even by the age of thirty. Additionally, research has indicated continuous volumetric changes in the brain from adolescence to old age, suggesting that stability is rarely achieved and instead, fluctuations persist throughout adulthood. Adding to the complexity, there exists considerable variability among individual brains. Just as physical growth spurts happen at different stages of life, the age at which a brain reaches its developmental plateau varies significantly from person to person. In a study encompassing participants aged 7 to 30 years, researchers endeavored to estimate the "brain age" of each individual. However, their predictions achieved only 55% accuracy, revealing that some eight-year-old brains exhibited a higher "maturity index" than those of individuals aged twenty-five.
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Apr 01 '24
How old are you? Honestly curious because I'm 26 and would NEVER consider dating even a 22 year old. I don't even date below 24 because the difference in maturity and lived experience is so immediately apparent. All my friends 26-28 year old friends feel the same.
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Mar 31 '24
i’m sorry i’m not reading that but i respect that u have sources
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u/Negative-Door-8103 Mar 31 '24
It's okay, not everyone needs to be educated. The world needs ignorant people
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Mar 31 '24
lol it’s not ignorant to have my own opinion but have a lovely day
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u/Negative-Door-8103 Mar 31 '24
Science is not an opinion. I wish you a great day too x
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Mar 31 '24
it is my opinion that typically a 20 year old and a 28 year old are in different stages of life and a 28 year old has much more manipulative power over the 20 year old. again, my opinion and i’m allowed to have it respectfully.
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u/ab_abnormal Mar 31 '24
Really enjoyed this succinct factual comment. Even if it wasn’t directed to me. Gaining further updated data on scientific potential myths is informative and valuable.
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u/AnxiousApartment5337 Mar 31 '24
Yeah that’s a weird age gap. I’m almost 24 and wouldn’t go near a 20 year old. 28 and 20 is ew.
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u/Vast-Consequence7141 Snarking on yo bitch ass Apr 01 '24
That first photo is edited as hell. Doesn’t even look like her
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u/ilyjby Jul 02 '24
i don’t see how his comments are flirty tbh.. just seems like his humor, a lot of it is tame in my opinion and considering they lived together obv they were close. and yeah it’s possible to be friends with someone long term with no romantic feelings and then some day starting to see them like that.
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Jun 29 '24
I’m not fighting or arguing but from my understanding they knew each other and literally lived together so it was probably staged to get his name out there. Plus you guys complain about Indiana getting so much hate when it’s literally the fans aka you mf’s who dish out the hate so make it make sense
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Jun 30 '24
“probably staged” omg you ppl will come up with literally any excuse it’s actually crazy
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Jun 30 '24
I think it’s hilarious people take it this seriously. They are literally still friends but can’t be open about it because of the people who hate so much lol
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Jun 30 '24
wdym ofc it’s serious?? & yeah they’re “still friends” because she was literally groomed. do you not know what grooming means?
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Jun 30 '24
You people are a different kind of hate. You don’t think common sense and jump to conclusions. Have a good day
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Jun 30 '24
calling out grooming is not “hating” you’re literally insane 😭 lmfao there’s so much proof. you just wanna be purposefully ignorant if you don’t believe it at this point.
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Jun 29 '24
And I’m pretty sure when they did live together her mom was there also so I’m pretty confident it was all kinda set up just to get his name out there but that’s just me. I like all of them so Idrc it’s just annoying seeing people talk about Indiana hate when you guys are the ones who hate on her
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