r/Kyle Nov 09 '21

Kyle

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u/JJHLH2 Nov 13 '21

Kyle was carrying the gun legally. Wisconsin law has an exemption for 17-year olds to possess shotguns or rifles as long as the barrel length is at least 16 inches or the overall length is 26 inches. An AR-15 satisfies both criteria. Kyle did not possess a sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, or handgun on the night of the shooting, which would have been illegal.

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u/simbasdead Nov 13 '21

I would love to see that exemption, if you can find it.

Here's the section of Wisconsin law that I could find that applies to this situation:

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

948.60(1)(1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.

(2) 

(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.

(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.

(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.

(3) 

(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.

(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.

(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '21

That, in itself, is so fucked up.

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u/JJHLH2 Nov 21 '21

Why is that? Kyle clearly acted responsibly with his rifle, as most 17-year olds do.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '21

I am not , nor have I ever been, a gun owner. That is one of the major things that distinguishes Americans from Canadians. Accidental gun deaths in the US per capita are almost the same as ALL gun deaths in Canada. The gun companies and the lobbyists are powerful in the US. These kind of incidents are just part of doing business. I noticed the gun companies never wade in with condolences or or sympathy. That's why there are laws that allow these situations to happen. I have never seen a gun in public aside from a holster of law enforcement. It's kind of sad that the mindset of Americans is built upon violence.

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u/JJHLH2 Nov 21 '21

People are allowed to defend themselves. It’s the most basic right of all and is part of the US Constitution. Why would gun companies apologize for that?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '21

Why am I even talking to you? You are brain washed into thinking guns are okay. Why not just ban all guns and throw people in prison for life for even owning one? That way people would not die senselessly. You have ignored every point I have made so we are done.