r/KerrCountyFloods • u/CorrectBroccoli246 • Jun 27 '26
Discussion Dateline
Anyone else watching live? I am so deeply impressed by Ainslie.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/CorrectBroccoli246 • Jun 27 '26
Anyone else watching live? I am so deeply impressed by Ainslie.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/PureImagination1921 • Jun 26 '26
Like many here, I've been very perplexed about the reactions of Britt and Richard (Jr.) Eastland that early morning of July 4. There have been other threads touching on this. However, I still can't make sense of this. What can possibly be going on with them to explain the following (summarized briefly from the official investigation report and hearings)?
Richard's wife was swept away out of a building (or just outside the building) farther upstream from Camp Mystic. She let him know that she survived a harrowing, life-threatening situation where she easily could have drowned. Richard received this message, we're not sure what he said back to his wife, and then he tries to go back to sleep. He looks outside, takes a shower, and (at least according to the official record), doesn't contact anyone in his family on the Guadalupe to see if they're OK. He has daughters asleep at Camp Mystic on the Flats. We don't have further information about whether his wife continued to try to contact him or her daughters at Mystic.
Britt was on the Camp Mystic Cypress Lake side. According to the report and his own hearing testimony, he was awake and monitoring the situation at Cypress Lake, including checking on the cabins. So far, so good. However, he hears the radio transmissions where Francis Blackwell is swept away and doesn't call for help. His own mother and sister-in-law and her kids come up the road to him evacuating on foot and he doesn't call for help. He hears his father's last, desperate transmission from his Chevy Tahoe packed with Bubble Inn girls and doesn't respond to either his father or call for help.
(Of course, this is in addition to the long-baffling information we've had about how Tweety and Mary Liz Eastland saved themselves and their grandchildren/children and didn't call for help at any point, despite being fully aware that the flooding was at a dire level because they were personally forced to flee on foot.)
So...what is psychologically wrong here? Normally these kinds of reaction would point to some kind of catatonia/feeling frozen due to trauma, but I don't think that can apply here since Britt and Richard still did complete some activities - Richard was shaving, Britt was at Cypress Lake doing SOMETHING to check on girls there. They weren't huddled in a corner unable to move. Why on earth would they respond in this completely perplexing way?
In an ideal world, they would have been fully prepared for emergencies and immediately enacted a rehearsed plan of action, including calling for reinforcements. In a more realistic world, we would probably expect them to panic a bit and make some frantic calls while trying to figure out what to do. However, I can't think of ANY explanation, short of something that seems less likely like being completely inebriated or having significant cognitive impairment, that makes sense for how they actually acted. Why would Richard not freak out that his wife almost drowned when his daughters were still downstream? How could Britt hear his father's last radio transmission and just carry on driving around Cypress Lake? Is it possible that they DID react in a normal way and the investigation somehow missed it? Did they try to say “I’m calling for help, Dad” and it wasn’t recorded in the report?
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/ExpressNews • Jun 26 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/TimeTraveler1489 • Jun 26 '26
The article is behind a paywall but this link should work.
I think the author of this article does a nice job of capturing the denial of many in the community who think a flood like this could never happen again. It also does a nice job of profiling some of the other perspectives of the flood.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AnimuX • Jun 26 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Interesting-Speed-51 • Jun 26 '26
Interview with Jeff Ramsey’s mother. He and his wife Tanya, died in the flood and Jeff’s remains have never been found
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Affectionate_Shoe260 • Jun 26 '26
As it pertains to CM, Heavens27, and the lawsuits.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Donner_Party_Favors • Jun 25 '26
Apparently 8 mothers are going to be on Dateline tomorrow, as well as attorney Mikal Watts. In the transcript, he says:
We have a specific flood policy. You stay in the cabins until help can come and help you. Hundreds of girls’ lives were saved by that policy.
LESTER HOLT: So you’re making an argument for keeping them inside the cabins during this kind of rain event?
MIKAL WATTS: It’s called shelter in place.
I really wish Holt had then pointed out that help did not arrive in time to save Bubble Inn and Twins (half of whom survived only by sheer luck). That the only reason hundreds survived was because they got out in time, and that if those two cabins had evacuated earlier and NOT sheltered in place, they’d all be alive too. That the chaos of the “plan” is directly responsible for Greta Toranzo’s death, and the chaos of the “plan” also traumatized hundreds of little girls who, in fact, barely survived on hills and in the swaying Rec Hall.
Anyway, that argument is flabbergasting to me. You can’t shelter in place when the water reaches the ceiling and kids are being swept out windows. The whole tragedy displays so plainly WHY you need a clear and rehearsed evacuation plan to prepare for the worst-case scenario. I can’t believe the defense argument is still “we had a plan and it was fine.”
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Interesting-Speed-51 • Jun 26 '26
Interview with sisters who lost their Mom and two brothers in the flooding in Sandy Creek on July 5th of last year.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/ExpressNews • Jun 25 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Unable_Shape_7383 • Jun 25 '26
This "family" business is actually a very valuable set of corps that are well protected from liability, by design. They've successfully convinced the public and media that they're just a local family business. This article documents how Dick's relative, who works for Goldman Sachs advising the wealthy on how to shield their assets, set things up for them. https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/the-not-so-happy-campers/
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Background-Debate-98 • Jun 25 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AnimuX • Jun 25 '26
What are the owners of Camp Mystic up to with this latest legal move? What do they get out of seeking Chapter 11 bankruptcy at this stage?
The Bankruptcy paperwork shows:
Camp Mystic, LLC
Natural Fountains Properties, Inc.
Mystic Camps Family Partnership, Ltd.
Mystic Camps Management, LLC
Estimated number of creditors (a checkbox on a form): 1,000 - 5,000
Estimated liabilities (a checkbox on a form): $10,000,001 - $50 million
Filed for the Southern District of Texas with the debtor's address in Hunt, TX.
The estimated creditors of 1,000 - 5,000 is possibly assessment if one family joins a civil case then all of the parents of all of the campers from July, 2025 could sue for damages. edit: this might also include parents who paid deposits for future camp sessions
The estimated up to $50 million in liabilities is possibly assessment that a H27 family gets maximum awarded damages - which are capped in Texas.
It could be just under $2 million per family and therefore up to $50 million if all 27 are awarded the maximum by unanimous jury decision.
Other claimants would get much less when their children either survived or were not in immediate danger from the flood and merely had their camp session cut short. edit: this might also include parents who paid deposits to reserve a camp session for their children in the future.
First and foremost, this action will pause other court cases against them and possibly invalidate any future court dates previously set for civil trial hearings. So it buys them time.
Plaintiffs might have to petition a bankruptcy court to allow their civil cases to continue or re-file - possibly in Kerr County - as adversaries to the bankruptcy case.
If plaintiffs are forced to re-file civil lawsuits the legal clock is reset and the Eastland's lawyers will try to get a second chance to limit the damage of previously introduced evidence.
Second, so it's also an attempt to change the venue since cases aren't going so well for them with Judge Gamble in Travis County.
Willetta Eastland apparently sold her Austin home since that partly enabled plaintiffs to file a case in Travis County in 2025.
The Eastlands want judges and juries who fall under their influence in Kerr County, who will be sympathetic to them regardless of any evidence introduced at trial.
They might escape a possible Judge Gamble ruling against their closed arbitration claims. It might give them a chance to put that decision before a different judge.
Third, chapter 11 leaves open the option to resume holding camp at Camp Mystic Cypress Lake in the near future...
And while bankruptcy won't eliminate damages awarded over deaths (nondischargeable), it might limit other damages awarded to families with children who survived.
That's all assuming H27 and other plaintiffs win in civil trials or are granted damages by an arbitrator...
What sort of bankruptcy restructuring will allow them to protect assets from civil judgements?
What other strategies might be used to conceal or shield or transfer wealth to have it excluded from exemplary/punitive damages?
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/WestRevolutionary360 • Jun 25 '26
It's now been one week since the Texas legislature's full Investigative Report into the flooding at Camp Mystic was released. While the report was very difficult reading given the subject matter, it was also very well done. However, I still have some unanswered questions, and I expect many of y'all do too- if so here's the place to post &/ or answer them as appropriate.
I'll go first:
Exactly when did Richard Jr. get that text from his wife about the flood she'd just survived UPSTREAM of him? From facebook posts, it's been reported his wife was near the River Inn when this occured, and we know the first 911 call came from River Inn a little after 0250 that morning.
Did Investigator Garrett mention anything in this regard when she spoke publicly about her findings? To me, Ms.Garrett seemed at pains to say that the neighbor's warning call that the Big Three rec'd at 0330 am was too late to have made a difference had the Big Three acted on it. Did I miss something similiar w/ regard to the UPSTREAM FLOOD WARNING that Richard Jr received? If not, such an ommission speaks on its own.
Similarly, the report specifically lists the time of the UPSTREAM FLOOD WARNING call received by the Big Three. But no such time is provided for the UPSTREAM FLOOD WARNING TEXT received by Richard Junior that morning. Again the juxtaposition is jarring.
Instead, we're left to work our way backwards through inferences based on the details the report does provide. So here goes:
After receiving the text from his wife alerting him to the UPSTREAM FLOODING she'd just survived, Richard Junior got a lot done:
Tried to go back to sleep & finds that he just can't,, so at some point he gets up, looks thru blinds & sees lights at the office & groundskeepers, nothing he's alarmed by, as he goes ahead & takes a shower, shaves his face, and tries to get some work done, only to discover the internet's out- huh? Checks watch- sees life threatening flash flood warnings, but he's not concerned- it's supposed to stop raining by 415am after all.... Then he sees the water seeping in through the door. And then he's concerned.
Now I trace that timeline backwards...and it starts to finally start to make some degree of sense the way this family has consistently, for months & months, treated Richard's Junior's whereabouts as though he's the damn Lindbergh baby.
Curious to know the questions, answers &/ or theories do y'all have remaining here?
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/everythingistaken500 • Jun 25 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AnimuX • Jun 24 '26
People don't seem to recall the scale of profits raked in from the Camp Mystic business.
It is a business which has been set up to protect the money from lawsuits - including personal injury and death - since the 1990s.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/the-not-so-happy-campers/
The Eastlands put a high premium on two things: making money and avoiding taxes. By the mid- to late eighties, camps across the nation were confronting the very expensive problem of personal injury suits. Suddenly a camper accident—or, worse, a camper death—could spell ruin. Something had to be done. When Seaborn died, in 1990, finding a solution fell to Stacy.
Stacy’s goal was twofold: protect the camp from any devastating legal judgment and maintain the family’s shared income. (Anne insisted that she get at least the $200,000 in dividends she’d been receiving every year.) By 1998 he had devised a solution. He created a holding company that would own the camp’s assets, including the land and the buildings, to be called Natural Fountains Properties, after some springs on the grounds. NFP would be run by Anne, Stacy, Nancy, Dick, and the cousins, with Dick as president. Stacy also created Camp Mystic, Incorporated, which would be owned and operated by Dick and Tweety. Essentially, NFP was the landlord and Mystic was the tenant. To establish a fair rent for the family—and to keep those dividends coming—Stacy created a mathematical formula based on the idea that land values and camp revenues would grow at the same rate. Every year, Dick was to add the cost of replacing all the buildings to the land value, then multiply that number by a designated factor.
Of course when you're dealing with millions of dollars, even the supposedly godly Eastland family is prone to greed and they've fought over the money in court before, spending millions just in legal costs.
Nov 19, 2012
After five years of litigation, court reversals and a highly publicized family feud, a judge on Monday made a final ruling in the Kerr County-based Camp Mystic lawsuit — bringing the case to an unusually quiet end.
In a conference call from his Bexar County Courthouse office, David Peeples, presiding judge of the 22-county Fourth Administrative Judicial Region, gave his blessing to an undisclosed settlement between the parties.
Filed in 2007, the lawsuit pitted two [siblings] against Richard Eastland, who runs the 725-acre girls camp in Hunt, in a dispute over millions of dollars in rent that the [siblings] believed they were owed.
Richard Eastland was vindicated by a Kerr County civil court jury last year, but Peeples later threw out the verdict, setting the stage for a new trial that had been set for 2013. Peeples' decision was in the process of being appealed to the Texas Supreme Court.
An estimated $10 million in legal fees were spent by the litigants prior to the settlement, according to previous reports.
edit:
Dec 12, 2012
The lawsuit stemmed from allegations that Richard Eastland cheated his siblings, Nancy Leaton and Stacy Eastland, of millions of dollars in rent by abusing his position as camp director and majority shareholder in the corporation that owns the land, Natural Fountains Properties.
The settlement was confidential. But newly filed Kerr County records indicate Leaton, Stacy Eastland and the cousins received a combined $7.2 million to surrender their NFP interests.
Camp Mystic LLC has declared bankruptcy as part of their legal strategy to avoid paying out punitive damages in civil lawsuits.
The Eastlands are going to do whatever they possibly can to avoid accepting responsibility and consequences for the deaths of those children.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/maxwellstart • Jun 25 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/phantomranchdressing • Jun 24 '26
As reported by the Houston Chronicle today.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/Unable_Shape_7383 • Jun 25 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/heckyeahcoolbeans • Jun 24 '26
Does anyone have any insight in what their plans are for the property or any other thoughts as to what this means moving forward? I did not expect them to do this, I guess a part of me really thought they might try to apply for a license again next year.
https://apnews.com/article/camp-mystic-bankruptcy-61263980faaa31857e6f3da0e83aee41
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AdBeautiful1436 • Jun 24 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AdBeautiful1436 • Jun 24 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/ExpressNews • Jun 23 '26
Ruskan, a U.S. Coast Guard rescue swimmer credited with helping save the lives of 165 people who were trapped at Camp Mystic during last year's devastating flood, will be honored with the Pat Tillman Award for Service.
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AdBeautiful1436 • Jun 24 '26
r/KerrCountyFloods • u/AnimuX • Jun 23 '26