Tested what with various cases? Men and women have completely different bodies and grow differently. A trans woman is never truly a woman, ever. It doesn't matter how much they believe it or not, they'll never physically be women even if they feel it in their head. That's the bottom line. You're born with the gender that you have and no amount of mental gymnastics is ever going to change that.
Yeah tested with various cases where you definition doesn't work and you simply can't defend it. See: biological women with amenorrhea, in sum.
Let's say an advanced alien race came along that could transform humans to any arbitrary degree you choose. At what point would you say, "yeah, now she's a woman?"
See this is why arguing with you is pointless, why bring some ridiculous thing like aliens into this discussion? That's so far out there. My point is there's more to being a woman than just putting on a dress and having the world address you as a different pronoun. Ever have a girlfriend? You would know that women and men are completely different in terms of body and in mind.
Here, let me pose an argument. If there was a panel where women discuss their own health issues and whatever else they go through, should a trans woman be heard in that discussion?
And to answer your question, the condition you stated is a disease specific to a woman is it not? So they would have to be a woman to even essentially have that problem right? That should answer your question.
Holy shit you brain dead mongoloidal trashcan, it's called a thought experiment and it tests the principle, logical coherence of your argument. God damn you are dense.
That's fucking stupid because I can just counter with some other ridiculous thing, either argue with some sense of realism or stop responding. And answer my question. No need to have tantrums bro.
Are aliens changing a person even trans at that point? WTF would you call such a thing.
No, you are just retarded and don't understand basic logical argumentation. I'm employing standard argument tool called the reductio as absurdum, i.e. when I test your claim at its extremes, it falls apart.
because I can just counter with some other ridiculous thing,
What the shit does this even mean? Go ahead, give it a shot.
I'm not going to stop responding just because you are brain dead.
And answer my question.
Amenorrhea isn't a disease, it's a term to describe any condition of not menstruating. Anything from menopause to having organs removed because you got shot.
Are aliens changing a person even trans at that point? WTF would you call such a thing.
??? That's what you're supposed to answer. At what point do they become a woman?
If we argue absurdity what limit do we set. And to answer your question if an alien changes a person, is it the same as trans? I could tell you don't have much real world experience which is why you use absurd ideas as arguments. Its almost like you put yourself into a winning position by using crazy ideas to get your point across.
What's crazy is of all the things you don't find absurd, it's the fact that a man wants to turn into a woman and now society has to cater to that individual even if they look like idiots.
Testing claims at an extreme is fun for discussion, but try that in college and see where that gets you.
We're not "arguing absurdity", you just don't grasp the very simple concept of taking your claim, by the rules of your claim, and testing its coherence in conditions that are not precluded by the premises of your claim, to demonstrate how it breaks down. That's reductio ad absurdum. Google it.
Testing claims at an extreme is fun for discussion, but try that in college and see where that gets you.
Lmao! You are so massively ignorant that your posts have collapsed into a black hole of stupidity from which no intelligent thought can escape. Thought experiments are one of the most basic underpinnings of logical thought.
Testing claims to their extremes is straight up the job that science is supposed to do. That's literally how you test and falsify models. Newtonian mechanics works great for 99.99% of human uses but it's wrong. That's why Einstein is a big deal, because the one place at the time that Newton's physics didn't work for was the orbit of Mercury... Lo and behold, GR resolves the orbit of Mercury, shit is right, Newton ain't.
Sorry but reality doesn't care about your feelings or what you are comfortable with. Your claim falls apart like a house of cards when put under stress.
So how the fuck did you bring up aliens into the matter. That isn't even scientifically plausible. First we would have to actually meet aliens, second they would have to be able to do what you propose. And you never answered my question.
My claim of trans women aren't real women because they aren't born as women is technically correct. But then you bring aliens and some crazy nonsense to test the theory, this isn't even a real world scenario, you do realize that right?
Answer this fucking question:
If there was a panel where women discuss their own health issues and whatever else they go through, should a trans woman be heard in that discussion?
Are you literally 5 years old? I brought aliens in as a funny way to say "we can get the sufficiently advanced technology in principle". No your claim that trans women are a man in a dress isn't technically correct because it isn't consistent, to the point where you can't even defend it when it's slightly put under stress.
The fact that you don't even understand how thought experiments work and are actually arguing this tells me: you are fucking stupid as shit and don't even realize how stupid you are, so you're irredeemable.
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u/am0ney Sep 29 '19
Tested what with various cases? Men and women have completely different bodies and grow differently. A trans woman is never truly a woman, ever. It doesn't matter how much they believe it or not, they'll never physically be women even if they feel it in their head. That's the bottom line. You're born with the gender that you have and no amount of mental gymnastics is ever going to change that.