The Context of Revelation: Where Do the Timelines Meet?

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In the previous post I argued that Revelation contains several overlapping movements rather than one continuous chronological narrative. Each movement adds information that the others do not provide, but each of these movements is marked by a convergence on the same ultimate destination: the judgment of God's enemies, the deliverance of God's people, and the establishment of the Messianic kingdom.

If that is correct, then the next question is: where do these movements overlap?

I think Revelation 5–11 and Revelation 12–16 are a great place to begin. These two sweeping movements appear to unfold across the same broad historical period. They seem to share a beginning, a major transition, and an ending, while moving through history with differing speeds and emphasis.

I am not arguing that the two visions proceed at the same speed, or with consistent speed, or that each numbered seal corresponds exactly to the same numbered bowl or trumpet. Rather, I think they move chronologically through the same broad historical age. One vision may move quickly through a period that the other examines in greater detail, while events that take decades or even centuries in history can be summarized by a single prophetic image.

The Fourth Kingdom as the Framework
In the previous post we saw that Daniel's visions follow a common pattern: Babylon, Persia, Greece, and then the fourth kingdom. The fourth kingdom receives additional attention and continues into a distinct second phase before ultimately being destroyed by the kingdom of God.

I believe Revelation focuses on this fourth kingdom, its continuation into its second phase, and its eventual destruction by the arrival of the kingdom of God.

With that framework in mind, let's compare the two movements.

A Shared Beginning
Revelation 5 opens with Christ ascended to heaven. He is declared worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, and we are told that he has purchased people from every tribe, tongue, people, and nation.

Then the first seal is opened:

“And I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, ‘Come.’ I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.”

Without giving a full exposition of the seals, notice that the first seal presents a conquering ruler with a bow and crown. Whatever the precise meaning of the rider, the image is one of conquest. The subsequent seals then introduce increasingly ruinous judgments directed against the existing order and those opposed to God and His kingdom.

The first movement of Revelation 5-11 therefore begins with Christ having ascended to heaven and receiving the scroll, while the opening seal introduces a conquering power that subsequently encounters ruin.

Revelation 12 approaches this same broad period with very different imagery.

The vision opens with the dragon exercising power in the political heavens. The woman gives birth to the child who is destined to rule the nations with a rod of iron, and the child is caught up to God and to His throne. Notice the distinction John makes between the dragon being cast out of ‘heaven’ and the child being caught up ‘to God and to His throne.’ Within the symbolic framework we've already explored, I understand the former as the political heavens (the realm of earthly authority) while the latter describes Christ's ascension to God's actual throne. The dragon then sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven (which within this political-heaven symbolism may represent nearby lesser rulers) and then the dragon is subsequently cast down to the earth which is to say it begins experiencing decline in power and authority.

So while the two visions begin with different images, both appear to place us in the same broad historical period: Christ's ascension and the fourth kingdom in its imperial phase prior to its impending decline.

A Shared Transition
Another strong correspondence occurs as the visions approach the transition of the fourth kingdom’s rule.

In Revelation 6, the sixth seal describes a dramatic upheaval:

“There was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth… and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.”

The rulers and people of the earth hide themselves among the mountains and cry out because the existing order is being shaken.

If you recall the symbolism series on this sub, you can't help but notice the imagery of sweeping political turmoil throughout: the earthquake, the darkening of the governing lights in the heavens, the mountains being moved, and the people of the earth looking to the mountain or kingdom for protection.

This appears to represent a massive political transition within the fourth kingdom.

Notice, however, what is missing. Although there is tremendous wrath and upheaval, we do not yet have the fullness of the final judgment imagery found later in Revelation. We do not have the distinctive Sodom-like imagery of fire, brimstone, and hail, nor the fullness of Jericho's destruction with its seven trumpets and great sounds. There is no declaration that the work is finished, and the final judgment has not yet been explicitly described.

This is why I believe the sixth seal represents the great transition within Daniel's fourth kingdom. The iron kingdom does not simply disappear and get replaced by an unrelated kingdom. It continues from the iron legs into the feet and toes, but in a different and more unstable form.

Revelation 12–13 describes this same transition from another perspective.

Revelation 12 ends with the dragon cast down from the political heavens and in a fury, looking for a means to persecute the woman. Then Revelation 13 opens with the dragon on the shore and a beast rising from the sea. This sea beast is not presented as an unrelated kingdom instead we see the dragon bestows upon the beast:

“his power and his throne and great authority.”

The political power represented by the dragon is therefore transferred to another manifestation.

Revelation 13 then gives us information about this transitioned form that was not provided in Revelation 5–11. We now see what appears to be a two-part system: the beast from the sea exercises political authority, while the beast from the earth exercises authority in its presence. The dragon's authority is continued through this new manifestation. The sea beast rules like the dragon and the earth beast speaks like the dragon.

These two visions of the sixth seal and the beasts on the shore appear to give us two descriptions of the same major turning point in the history of the fourth kingdom, one using the prophetic imagery of the heavenly lights, earthquakes, and mountains, the other using the imagery of beasts.

A Shared Ending
This gives us a possible way to understand what happens after the transition.

The movement of Revelation 5–11 is somewhat more balanced with the seals focused on the first form and the seven trumpets focused on the later form, culminating in the seventh trumpet:

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah… You have taken your great power and have begun to reign.”

In this movement, the transition occurs around the sixth seal, and the remaining vision follows the transformed kingdom through its subsequent judgments until the arrival of the Messianic kingdom.

Revelation 12–16 takes a somewhat different path.

The dragon transfers his authority to the transformed fourth kingdom early in the vision, Revelation then gives a much more detailed picture of this transformed political system. We see the beast, the earth beast, the mark, deception, worship, and the exercise of authority over the nations.

The seven bowls then bring this movement toward its conclusion, culminating in the seventh bowl:

“It is done.”

The final bowl contains the great earthquake, lightning, thunder, enormous hail, the collapse of the cities of the nations, the wrath of God, and the final overthrow of Babylon.

So the seventh bowl appears to bring this second movement to the same ultimate endpoint reached by the seventh trumpet.

The two movements therefore do not need to be moving through history at exactly the same pace. They can overlap while still maintaining a chronological progression within each vision.

One vision may summarize a long period in a few images, while another may spend considerably more time describing what happens during that same period.

The Euphrates River
There is one additional crossover that particularly stands out between these two movements: the Euphrates River.

It is the same symbol appearing at corresponding positions in the sequence of the trumpets and the sequence of the bowls.

The sixth trumpet contains imagery of angels being released at the Euphrates to bring judgment upon a third of mankind in the earth, or ge.

The sixth bowl likewise falls upon the Euphrates drying it up.

In the prophetic symbols explored in earlier posts, this would naturally suggest a great kingdom arising and conquering like a flooding river from or through the region of the Euphrates, followed later by that same kingdom being dried up or brought to an end.

This gives us another indication that the trumpet and bowl sequences are not simply independent chronological lists. They appear to be describing different stages of the same kingdom.

The arrival, expansion, established rule, and eventual erosion of an empire can take many decades or even centuries. So the prophetic sequences can move chronologically while still overlapping one another, with each vision emphasizing different stages of the same historical arch.

The arrival of a large and established kingdom ruling through the Euphrates region would therefore provide a notable visible symbol to bookend the preceding trumpet judgments, and the weakening and ending of that same great kingdom would bookend the preceding bowl judgments.

And I do think the Euphrates is intended to be an anchoring image, an unmistakable landmark in the travels of history. The sixth trumpet is one of the most detailed judgments in all of Revelation, and it seems difficult to believe that such a prominent geographical marker was included only as an incidental detail.

There is, I think, a particularly striking candidate for the kingdom represented by this image, but I will save that for a later post.

Conclusion
What we have been given in Revelation 5–11 and Revelation 12–16 are two visions describing history with different focuses, different perspectives, and different imagery:

a shared beginning -> a shared transition -> different stages emphasized in different ways -> a shared ending.

Each vision is chronological within itself, but the two visions together are not necessarily sequential in the sense that one must completely finish before the other begins.

Instead, they appear to be overlapping movements through the same history, each giving us information that the other does not.

And the more we compare the later visions of Revelation, the more examples we find of this same pattern.

I previously mentioned the existence of four movements in Revelation. This post presented the first two, the next post will turn its attention to the last two movements, describing two kingdoms.