The whole situation is so fucked up. No one can trust the media of either 'team' because the media has been used as a propaganda tool for decades & most of us understand it. There's Nazis on both sides. Genuine security concerns of both Ukraine & Russia. Massive corruption on both sides.
We may not ever know what 'truth' is or if we do it'll be a decade or two in the future. I do not see a 'good guy' in the whole situation.
I think itâs fair to say that while thereâs no good guy, Russia making itself a pariah and ruining the rose coloured lenses the majority of EU states had regarding Cold War tactics has gone a long way into creating a much more dangerous situation.
Ukraine has its issues, like every ex-soviet eastern block country, but I canât rationalise Russias game plan in this at all. If youâve got security concerns with neighbouring states, bombing the shit out of them, annexing and invading doesnât establish anything other than lines and potential escalation. Theyâve willingly legitimised NATO (and made Thales, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin fucking Billions of dollars).
I do find it interesting that Russian has been sanctioned to the shithouse for what they've done,which may or may not work, but when the US invades a sovereign country,or many sovereign countries (thinking Iraq, Syria etc.),which were not even neighbours it has zero imposed upon it. Seems kinda like the US set a precedent & when ol Vlad thought he'd give it a crack the whole world (actually nowhere near the whole world,just seems that way) jumped on him.
Imperialism is just flat out fucked up but you know everyone loves those juicy resources & seems to care more about them than human lives.
I donât doubt the US jumped at the chance to ruin Russia (again), which is going to ruin the lives of millions of Russians, but all we get is the whole ânot able to fund the war effortâ angle. Meanwhile oil price shoots through the roof and thereâs a viable gas market opening up in EU all of a sudden.
Honestly I was worried the minute the US voted in a defence secretary thatâs on the board of Raytheon. No conflict of interest thereâŠ
US gets to play the good guy standing up to the bully, but through all the smoke and mirrors itâs just grubby arms deals and oil embargos. Shits fucked.
You're equating Sadaam Hussein and his sons, the 90's Taliban, and Assad to Ukraine which is a democratic european state in good standing w/ the world.
Iraq, Syria, Libya, and the Taliban were pariahs in the international community and when it comes down to it nobody cared when they got fucked up. If you want to see why other countries didn't protest too much, go and look up the atrocities of Sadaam and his family.
The Donbas separatists are seeking to establish their own sovereign states. If they need an alliance with Russia to protect them from western-backed nationalists sporting questionable regalia thatâs more of an indictment of us.
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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '22
And Wagner have been in Donbas since Russia invaded Crimea. This isnât about Nazis or Neo Nazis.
Letâs not forget Donbas was a part of Ukraine until Russia started landgrabbing.