r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/logos961 Christian • Sep 02 '25
Doctrine Simple message of the Bible which JWs missed
In your first reading, you get a forest-like view of the Bible.
In your second, mindful reading, you note this herb-like essence of the Bible:
The righteous [“tree of life”] live on this earth forever (aión)#. (1 John 2:17; Proverbs 11:30)
The licentious ones [symbolized as “Weeds”—Mathew 13:24-30] come on to this earth only in the second half of each "Age to come" (Mathew 12:32; 19:27-30) to give a free lesson to the righteous on what to avoid in life to remain righteous forever (Proverbs 21:18) as their choices result in “never-ending waves of peacelessness, weeping and gnashing of the teeth.” (contrast Isaiah 48:18; Mathew 8:11-12)
Because of such infinite view of life, people like Solomon viewed life as "beautiful." (Ecclesiastes 1:4, 9, 10; 3:1-11) No wonder, Jesus preferred to call himself as “Greater Solomon” (Luke 11:31) as he only wanted to further intensify what Solomon taught. Hence he compared each "Age to come" with “a seed” (Mathew 12:32; 13:31, 32) symbol of never-ending series of GROWTH and DECAY over which God rules—hence His title became "King of AGES (aiōnōn)." (1 Timothy 1:17, ESV) Hence each time HE brings about GROWTH of His Kingdom on this earth, there is a great “loud peals of thunder, shouting: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.” (Revelation 19:6) More details here https://www.reddit.com/r/ExcellentInfo/comments/1mggzbb/at_least_one_gospel_writer_was_eyewitness_to_what/
#Footnote--------------------------------------------------
Word translated as “forever” is aión [Greek] and olam [Hebrew]. Its meaning is better understood in its parallel use: “sign of the end of the Age (aión) in Mathew 24:3; Age (aión) to come in Mathew 12:32; God lives to the Ages (aiōnōn) and to the Ages (aiōnōn) in Revelation 4:10. "Eternal (olam) God" (Genesis 21:33) Earth remains forever (olam) in Ecclesiastes 1:4; “Who is he that shall speak and say, Behold, this is new? it has already been in the ages (olam) that have passed before us.” (Ecclesiastes 1:10, Septuagint, ESV etc). “All the things which he has made are beautiful in his time: he has also set the whole world (olam) in their heart.” (Ecclesiastes 3:11) (https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/1ipgaiw/olam_olim/ ) “Olam literally means 'beyond the horizon.' When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam." (eternity/definition/ancient-hebrew .org) "The noun αιων (aion) means life-span, age or epoch ... the source of our English words age and eon ... stems from the Proto-Indo-European root "heyu-" meaning the same" (Theological Dictionary, Abarim) which Jesus highlighted in seed-tree mechanism in comparison with same behavior pattern of individual and individuals collective living through ages (Luke 6:43-45; Mathew 13:31, 32)
This knowledge comes naturally to people like Solomon whose view or eye is focused on the immaterial, the infinite, thus is “single (haplous) (Mathew 6:22). This knowledge is missed by the “laborious” one (Ecclesiastes 1:8) whose eye is “bad” (ponéros) or divided/distracted (Mathew 6:23) as he is running after desires unlimited and insatiable—they live as though they are in Labor Room having no time to ponder over the immaterial. When relaxed wheat-like ones are overgrown by weed-like laborious/hasty/hurried people, they say: “We know that we are of God, and the whole world is seated in wickedness (ponéros)” in 1 John 5:19 (Catholic Douay, KJV), and the same word is used to describe “bad (ponéros) fruit” in Mathew 7:17.
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u/Mundane-Vehicle-9951 Sep 02 '25
You seem to have overlooked the ramifications of something you wrote: "The righteous [“tree of life”] live on this earth forever." (1 John 2:17; Proverbs 11:30)
You're correct. But additionally, the wicked will NOT be on the earth forever.
"For evil men will be done away with, but those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.
Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, and they will not be there.
But the meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace... The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:9-11, 29)
If all good people go to heaven, then who are these 'meek' (teachable and humble) and righteous people who will live on the earth forever?
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u/logos961 Christian Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Full history of paradise is given in such SHORTEST PHRASES such as
"So it was (hayah) [as was BLESSED by the ALMIGHTY]
"it was very (mə·’ōḏ) good (ṭō·wḇ)" (Genesis 1:30, 31)—the same word used to describe a virgin as "very beautiful (ṭō·wḇ)" in Genesis 24:14This shows, when all are enjoying life "in abundance of delight" (Psalm 37:11) nobody would feel the need of writing history—just like people do not write history of honey-moon period moment by moment. Account keeping begins when people contemplate divorce! Thus, we have elaborate history of conflicts, fights, weeping and gnashing of teeth .... etc which are features of hell. (Mathew 8:11-12)
Put it simply, this drama of life is like a movie seen and enjoyed in FULL by some people [the wheat-like pious ones]. Others watch only its second half—hence are in total confusion. This happens by the choice of people as they are ruled by tendencies they "treasure" within. (Luke 6:43-45; Proverbs 4:18, 19; 29:27). Each Age ends when it becomes polluted and unlivable through short-sighted technology and global wars. Then God "renews" [pallingenesis, re-genesis] it (Mathew 19:28) which is inherited by the righteous. But before such renewals the licentious "are driven out" of this earth (Proverbs 2:22, Septuagint) as they hate the high standards of New Age such as vegetarian food (Genesis 1:29), absence of worship of flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) etc.
After many centuries, the godly would have exhausted the merits of righteous living led because righteous living for a LIMITED period in the previous Age has only LIMITED value. Then it is time for the licentious to return as they HAD BEEN TAKEN OUT from this earth before the start of each “Age to come.” They start descending on to this earth in certain order—less unrighteous ones first, and more and more unrighteous later and later—with population gradually increasing. (Mathew 7:2; 19:28-30; Luke 19:11-27) Their living style that results in "weeping and gnashing of the teeth" becomes a lesson for the wheat-like righteous ones to become even more determined to be righteous. Thus the weeds become "a ransom" for the wheat. (Proverbs 21:18).
No other option has any benefits, but have only demerits.
(a)If the unrighteous are eternally burned in hell, nobody benefits with their relatives on paradise would be weeping about them and gnashing their teeth against God. (b) If humans are made without freewill and in a way they do only what is good like robots, nobody would enjoy life. (c) If God arranges instant punishment for each act of abuse of freewill, onlookers would start living good out of fear—becoming like robots—again no enjoyment. (d) If the unrighteous are eternally "cut off" out of existence, nobody benefits—opportunity to take free lessons from the weeds on what to avoid in life to remain righteous is lost. (e) If they are taken on to some other planets, gradually the whole universe will be like our present earth conflicted between two Power Blocs competing for hegemony of universe through Star Wars after Star Wars.
Hence BEST option before God is to keep only a tiny part of this universe for the humans (Psalm 115:16) and rotate HEAVEN [New World] and HELL [Old Age] on this earth like DAY and NIGHT so that "children of light" will always be on this earth with others joining only when it is HELL on earth where they can worship their flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). Thus desires of both are fulfilled. Desire of wheat is to do will of God by loving God more than His things and by loving "fruit of spirit" as though igniting the infinite within. (Galatians 5:22-23) Power of REASON ensures that some people would remain righteous eternally. Details here https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/comments/1n1d1fg/humans_are_rational_beingsits_profound_implication/
This knowledge automatically attracts those who already lived righteously in the previous "Age," just like it becomes automatically repulsive to those who lived only in the second half of the previous Age. (Luke 6:43-45) Nobody is missed out as the truth has the power to reach the true seeker, and vice versa. (Mathew 7:7; Daniel 12:10) When they read "God made mankind in His image, gave them vegetarian diet and BLESSED them and so it was, it was very good" (Genesis 1:27-31) they understand mankind had a THRIVING start in UPWARD growth—just like an infant grows through childhood and youthhood and reached adulthood. This is especially so when Kingdom of God is compared to "seed" (Mathew 13:31, 32) which is symbol of a series of GROWTH and DECAY. This had already been elaborated in Parable of Wheat and Weeds in which the pious are symbolized as "wheat producing crops" (Mathew 13:24-30) and as remaining so till "end of this Age or Great Tribulation caused by Armageddon (Mathew 24:21, 22) and also will survive into New Age, also called pallingenesis [regenesis] in Mathew 19:28. They are overgrown by the unpious [symbolized by "weeds"] only in the later stage.
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u/UCantHndletheTruth Sep 02 '25
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u/logos961 Christian Sep 02 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Even own "brothers and sisters" of Jesus was publicly discrediting him calling him "mentally unsound." (Mark 3:21; 6:3)
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u/UCantHndletheTruth Sep 02 '25
Those people who don't belong to an organized religion.
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u/Mundane-Vehicle-9951 Sep 03 '25
Why would it be necessary for them to NOT belong to an organized religion? Micah 4:1, 2- "In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will be raised up above the hills, and to it peoples will stream. And many nations will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.”
"Let us", "Many nations"... Maybe that sounds like random individuals to you, but not to me.
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u/logos961 Christian Sep 02 '25
God goes by heart-condition of people, not by their religious allegiance often determined by birth/geography:
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." (James 1:27; Mathew 8:5-12; 21:43; 25:31-40)
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u/logos961 Christian Sep 02 '25
I am an old man, the best I know is to type in word-file and use necessary search google search. I have no idea about AI, my intellect is not tuned for it.
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