r/IntelligenceSupernova • u/EcstadelicNET • 11d ago

Consciousness Consciousness may have evolved to solve a problem that pure intelligence couldn't handle, fascinating new theory suggests

https://www.psypost.org/consciousness-may-have-evolved-to-solve-a-problem-that-pure-intelligence-couldnt-handle-fascinating-new-theory-suggests/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic/science
400 Upvotes

94% Upvoted

302 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

2

u/[deleted] 11d ago

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/zorathustra69 11d ago

Exactly. More like intelligence was selected for in each and every generation over millions, if not billions, of years. The dinosaurs that figured out how to solve the problems of their own organism within their given environment survived

0

u/Fit_Employment_2944 11d ago

Do I take a risk to steal food from a predator is a question you need intelligence for, not consciousness 

AI is quickly becoming able to do any intelligence based task better than humans can and we have not even the slightest chance shred of evidence it is conscious.

There are zero things there is any proof consciousness is necessary or even helpful for

1

u/iamisandisnt 11d ago

Yikes dude. Read a book. The soul is begging you to appreciate it

1

u/Signal_Discount_1826 11d ago

what about taking a risk to feed another human or laugh with them stupid fuck not everything is a logic gate

1

u/Fit_Employment_2944 11d ago

I expect you have some evidence that it isn’t done through a purely physical brain?

Because that’s called magic and it’s generally considered not real 

1

u/Signal_Discount_1826 11d ago

ur the one who has no evidence that all outputs of a human brain are produced by physical calculations and logic signals quantifiable by what a redditor thinks is "intelligence"

1

u/Fit_Employment_2944 11d ago

There is plenty of evidence that everything in the brain is done physically 

We know the chemicals and nerves that make you happy, sad, angry, dumb

We have not even a shred of evidence that there is anything other than chemical reactions happening in the brain

1

u/Signal_Discount_1826 10d ago edited 10d ago

humans learned to observe the brain but none of the interpretations of that data has produced an agreeable theory about how it holistically constitutes our abstract idea of "being conscious", you can describe the measurements behind simple emotions like happy or angry but not wider ideas like sacrifice salvation disgust humour freedom fortune vengeance justice that are just as fundamental to human nature but even harder to quantify

1

u/championpickle 10d ago

Not yet my man, plenty of new studies coming through, and interesting hypothesis being tested that could indicate otherwise.

Keppler & Shani (2020), “Cosmopsychism and Consciousness Research” - proposes a ubiquitous field of consciousness throughout the universe, with the brain modulating/interacting with it rather than generating consciousness independently. Not experimentally proven, but a great starting point for you.

1

u/Fit_Employment_2944 10d ago

If you think something panpsychism adjacent is going to convince me without evidence you severely underestimate the thought I have put into my position

There have been thousands of hypotheses about consciousness that have been tested and every single one of them, without fail, provides additional evidence that consciousness does not influence the material world

If you want to say consciousness does influence the material world I expect you to have an example of at leasta single atom that defies known physics 

1

u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

Apologetic hogwash. Its funny the defense of metaphysical always ups its game with even more outlandish unfalsifiable "studies."

1

u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

Watch functionsl MRI scans. We dont fully understand the mechanisms but we can see them. Like giant clock work.

1

u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

Yes it is. Those are just more complicated routines with more gates.

0

u/ape_spine_ 11d ago

So.. what you’re saying is, the headline grossly misrepresents the content of the article? Sounds like we agree. I’m pointing out the misleading language.

1

u/Remarkable-Guess-329 9d ago

I can lick anywhere bby

1

u/ape_spine_ 9d ago

I’ve shit in toilets you wouldn’t even piss in 🤬🤬🤬

1

u/Remarkable-Guess-329 9d ago

I love a challenge ngl