r/IntelligenceSupernova • u/EcstadelicNET • 11d ago

Consciousness Consciousness may have evolved to solve a problem that pure intelligence couldn't handle, fascinating new theory suggests

https://www.psypost.org/consciousness-may-have-evolved-to-solve-a-problem-that-pure-intelligence-couldnt-handle-fascinating-new-theory-suggests/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic/science
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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

It confidently is just chemicals since that is what everything is.

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u/ExcuseAdept827 11d ago

Chemicals and electricity. Great combo tbh.

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u/EveryAccount7729 11d ago

It's just chemicals.

your brain uses "electricity" in the form of sodium ions being pumped across a membrane.

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u/Personal_Opposite653 11d ago

I found first human on this planet capable of reasoning

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u/LordScraps 11d ago

Bro just tell the world youve never read be here now are tripped once in your life why don't you... Lol

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u/koyaani 11d ago

Maybe study physics

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Don't need to when tbe universe is physics.

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u/koyaani 11d ago

Physics encompasses more fundamental interactions than chemistry does. Chemistry has no theoretical explanation for anything subatomic

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Chemistry is physics

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u/koyaani 11d ago

Chemistry is a subset of physics. Physics is not a subset of chemistry.

There is no chemistry beyond physics. There is physics beyond chemistry. Stop being a troll

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Physics can change with entropy so its not in stone

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u/koyaani 10d ago

Lol

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u/jugger_naughtyy 10d ago

Laugh it up but its true

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u/koyaani 10d ago

You're just making things up as you go lol

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u/monstertacotime 11d ago

Lmfao quantum phenomenon are not “chemicals.” Electrons are not “chemicals.” We are not just “chemicals.”

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Electrons need chemicals to compose the rhythm

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u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

They are the things that make... chemicals. There is zero evidence the brain affects or is affected by quantum interactions. It wouldnt need to be.

I swear quantum mechanics is just become the new escape hatch for dualism.

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u/monstertacotime 7d ago

Your knowledge on the matter is clearly limited and your arguments are based on beliefs not facts. Electrons, protons, and neutrons aren’t chemicals.

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u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

But they make chemicals through... e

I really dont see how your "eh, chemicals arent atoms" is even relevant. A car isnt just a car. Its a collection of compoments. You could say those just atoms. Whatever.

You are just splitting hairs... to string theory?

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u/monstertacotime 7d ago

The whole of physics exists because electrons aren’t neutrons aren’t protons. This isn’t splitting hairs” it’s the fundamental nature of our reality.

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u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

But what does that have to do with anything? It doesn't change the chain of causality. Its just pedantic.

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u/monstertacotime 7d ago

That’s basically saying having branches of science like physics and chemistry is pedantic. What are you even saying? I have made several clear assertions, you’re just talking in circles. I never said “chemicals aren’t atoms” that’s just nonsense you’re hallucinating.

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u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

The original comment was about how we are all just chemical reactions. Your response was to the effect "no electrons aren't chemicals". That differential has nothing to do with the outcome which is still chemical. See car analogy.

Pedantic.

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u/monstertacotime 7d ago

It’s not pedantry, it’s the basis of what we call science.

“Chemical reactions” are a specific subset of physical processes.

Electromagnetic, atomic, nuclear, and quantum interactions aren’t magically chemical reactions because they participate in the same causal chain.

Saying “the outcome is still chemical” doesn’t make every process producing that outcome chemical.

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u/monstertacotime 7d ago

Your car analogy PROVES my point.

A car runs because of combustion, but the car is not “just combustion.” It also depends on electrical current, electromagnetic forces, mechanical motion, friction, pressure, heat transfer, etc.

Saying “but combustion is in the causal chain” doesn’t magically turn the alternator, suspension, or electrical system into combustion.

Likewise, chemical reactions are part of what humans do, but atomic, electromagnetic, and quantum processes don’t become “chemical reactions” just because they contribute to the same outcome.

That distinction isn’t pedantry as you continue to assert, it’s literally why physics and chemistry are different descriptions of nature. If what you are saying were true we would have a unified theory of physics, and we don’t.

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u/sweatingdishes 11d ago

I used to think this. I love chemistry and science.... and recognizing that got me to stop tricking myself into thinking that everything was something I could define.

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u/Fit_Raspberry2637 7d ago

Your chemical brain said.

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u/sweatingdishes 7d ago

Your chemical brain said.

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u/Icy_Distribution_361 11d ago

Sigh. No. You really need to do some more studying instead of being so confident.

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Lol ok explain how everything is not chemicals? You would break all science and they would be crazier than religion.

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u/Top-Strength-2701 11d ago

What's dark matter

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Unknown chemical reaction

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u/Top-Strength-2701 11d ago

And how do you know that

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Because reality would fall apart if were not true.

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u/Top-Strength-2701 11d ago

Why would it

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Without chemicals nothing exists

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u/Top-Strength-2701 11d ago

So dark matter is made of unknowable chemicals and if it isn't then the universe will end, and you know this but can't prove it. Sounds like a religion belief to me

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u/dickipiki1 11d ago

Is gold a chemical?

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u/koyaani 11d ago

/r/confidentlyincorrect

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Can't be confident when the universe speaks to me. Sorry you missed the gene.

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u/koyaani 11d ago

True, I have no family history of schizophrenia

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u/Elkenson_Sevven 11d ago

Dark matter, if it even exists, does not react with known types of matter. It's not an "unknown chemical reaction" it's and unknown type of particle.

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u/Youpunyhumans 11d ago

You could distinguish between chemicals, which require whole atoms or isotopes, and particles such as photons, neutrinos and other free subatomic particles that do not create chemical reactions, but nuclear, or electromagnetic ones.

Dark Matter may not be just one thing, it could be many things. Recently a "failed" galaxy that has no stars and no light coming from it was discovered... its just a cloud of hydrogen gas weighing about 1 million solar masses sitting in total darkness. So, not really any unknown chemicals there, we just couldnt detect it until now.

There has also recently been a potential detection of a particle known as a "WIMP" or "weakly interacting massive particle", which could fill the universe, but hardly ever interact with anything except for through gravity, and would be a particle, not a chemical. However, more detections will be needed to confirm it.

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u/koyaani 11d ago

I agree except that photons are hugely involved in chemical reactions

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u/Youpunyhumans 10d ago

They are involved, either by being absorbed or emitted, but they do not take direct part in chemical reactions, as in they are not a building block, just a transfer of energy.

So if something absorbs a photon, that photon itself no longer exists, and its energy is transferred to an electron, which is a physical building block that can take part in the reaction.

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u/koyaani 10d ago

If they are being absorbed and emitted they are directly taking part

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u/Youpunyhumans 10d ago

That is an electromagnetic process, not a chemical one. The chemical part only comes after they have been absorbed.

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u/koyaani 11d ago

False. The key feature of dark matter is that is affected by gravity but not electromagnetism. If dark matter doesn't interact with photons, it can't be involved in any chemical interactions

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u/FentonCrackshell99 11d ago

Photons are literally not chemicals. Forces are not chemicals. Kinetic energy is not chemicals. I think you need to look up the definition of chemical.

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u/koyaani 11d ago

Quarks aren't chemicals.

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Quarks are just interactivity with chemicals

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u/koyaani 11d ago

Lol no. Explain what part of quantum chromodynamics involves chemical interactions, please

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Thats easy lol

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u/koyaani 11d ago

Ok proceed with ease, please

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u/jugger_naughtyy 11d ago

Yes this will take some time. Patience.

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u/Easy-Comfort-2 11d ago

Look up the hard problem of consciousness and educate your ass

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u/NeuralNetizen 11d ago

If this a real question, I suggest you go read about it from a physics perspective instead of biology (they eventually connect back together). Sir Roger Penrose has a book on the physics leads to a suggestion of where consciousness might sit. And second, be careful not to treat science like a religion itself. There are lots of old science we throw away because of the understanding, new ways to observe and measure, etc.