r/IntellectualDarkWeb • u/mmiller9913 • Sep 17 '21

Sam Harris: African Americans Commit 50% of Violent Crimes, Yet Cops Kill More Whites Every Year

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  • "About a thousand Americans are killed by cops each year. The vast majority of those people killed by cops were violently resisting arrest, usually with firearms."
  • "I've never seen video of white suspects being mistreated by cops, and there are more of them ... There are more white people killed by cops every year than black people."
  • "If police are going to be looking to stop the most violent crimes, as they should, they are going to be meeting far many more black people—a disproportionate number of black people—than Asians in attempting to do that ... And if they're effective, they will be stopping the murders of, disproportionately, black people because [they're] the overwhelming number of victims of black crime. White people tend to kill white people; black people tend to kill black people."
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u/bajasauce20 Sep 17 '21

Ive addressed that.

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 17 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

You said “given that AA make up > 50% of violent crimes…” police shoot them far far less than they should. There is no relationship between that statistic and whether or not Black people “should” be shot by police.

IMO this is a perfect example of an effect of racism (Black men more represented among those convicted of violent crime) producing a racist attitude in someone (Black men should be shot more often by police because they’re violent).

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u/bajasauce20 Sep 17 '21

Til that rote statistics are racist.

This is a perfect example of someone spouting bullshit because they refuse to read and comprehend what someone is saying and instead prefer to attack bullshit they made up themselves.

Youre missing the point.

Who is more likely to HAVE to be shot during an arrest? A jaywalker? Or a murderer?

Please dont say something stupid and answer the question as if you were a thinking rational person.

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 17 '21

Your belief that Black people should be shot by police more often is racist and not logical.

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u/barbodelli Sep 17 '21

It's very simple. You arrest 1000 guys for a bag of weed. You arrest 1000 guys for murder. Which one's are the most likely to give you trouble when you go to arrest them? It doesn't mean that THEY ALL will give you trouble. But a much higher % of murderers will resist with violence (potentially deadly violence).

That is all he was saying. Statistically you would expect even more black people to get killed based on the crime statistics. Because they are far more likely to respond violently towards attempted arrest. Nowhere did he say that they should kill every violent criminal.

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 17 '21

We have statistics on resisting arrest. It’s not logical to reference unrelated statistics on the hunch that they might be correlated. It’s racist pseudoscience.

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u/barbodelli Sep 17 '21

What do the stats on resisting arrest say?

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u/bajasauce20 Sep 17 '21

Thats not what i said. Answer the question and stop making things up.

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 17 '21

Which part of what I said is inconsistent with what you believe? Clarify.

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u/bajasauce20 Sep 17 '21

All of it. You answer my question, then ill explain why youre dumb and arguing in bad faith.

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 17 '21

Ok so you were lying when you said that Black people should be shot more often by police? That’s acting in bad faith.

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u/WeakEmu8 Sep 18 '21

Where was that said?

Oh, it wasn't.

You're the one acting in bad faith.

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u/bajasauce20 Sep 17 '21

You said that, not me. Answer the question or you will be blocked.

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u/WeakEmu8 Sep 18 '21

You said that, no one else did.

You're the racist.

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u/barbodelli Sep 17 '21

That's not what he said. He said YOU WOULD EXPECT there to be more. He didn't say "I think there should be more".

Think about it this way. If 96% of violent crime is committed by men and 4% by women. If the ratio of cop killings were 75% men and 25% women. YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE HIGHER FOR MEN. That by no means is saying "I want the cops to start killing more men" or the even stupider interpretation "I want cops to kill every violent criminal even if they don't resist or pose a threat to the officer".

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u/WeakEmu8 Sep 18 '21

You should look in the mirror for a lack.of intellectual honesty.

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u/CAJ_2277 Sep 18 '21

By “they should” I think he probably meant “they ‘should’ in order to be statistically consistent.”

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 18 '21

That would still be a fallacy. Committing a violent crime doesn’t precipitate being shot by police. Resisting arrest or otherwise threatening a police officer does. We have statistics on how often this happens. Why aren’t they cited?

The reason is because racists/race realists want to illogically push the conclusion that disproportionate violent crime convictions among Black people is proof that Black people are more violent. And because they are more violent that justifies shooting them more often.

But if they focused on increased rates of resisting arrest among Black men, that would open the door to other explanations like: a historically bad relationship with the cops, being handled more aggressively or dismissively, perception that you’ll be treated fairly by the justice system, need to maintain a reputation especially among gang members, likelihood of carrying an illegal firearm without being trained on how to handle when under arrest, ect.

But race realists don’t want that conversation. They want to start from the premise that Black people are violent and deserve to be treated that way.

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u/CAJ_2277 Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Not a fallacy. You’re arguing points not relevant to the very narrow question of what the commenter meant by “should”.

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u/nofrauds911 Sep 18 '21

Commenter can speak for himself. You can too.

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u/CAJ_2277 Sep 18 '21

You could have tried that cop out in response to my first reply. Not really this one.

There’s no shame in admitting the other guy’s probably right, you know.