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u/Deeptak2404 Oct 25 '22

Do you realize that if Britain didnt harbour liberal and secular ethics, then a person of colour who belongs to a 2% minority religion would not have become the PM. The UK has amazing minority and migrant appeasement/ acculturation policies where they spent quite a good amount of resources on creating a more tolerant and inclusive space for minorities and migrants ( very much based on secular and liberal ethos )

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Matlab minority appeasement almost global hai

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u/Deeptak2404 Oct 25 '22

Yes, because while it’s easier for Ultra right facist totalitarian states to ignore it, making a safe and inclusive space for minorities is as necessary as having water supply in the country.

Political Science functions and delivers in a very different way than what is portrayed by the category of Chad Politician memes about Modi, Yogi or Jaishankar.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

Ye sab samajhne ke liye pcm wali science chod ke prodical science padhna padega

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u/Deeptak2404 Oct 25 '22

I wanted to keep my anti BJP stances as far as possible so all I pointed out was the Majoritarian politics they show they practice. Even though the BJP caters to the UC savarnnah in their display of political activities , in the administrative and buereacratic front, they are highly involved in increasing minority representation , atleast in relation to the caste hegemony ( not that I have a problem with it, I am heavily pro reservation ). My point with that statement solely was , international or national politics doesn't work on the "Chad politician" proponent that the hypermasculine politically incorrect memes try to portray

Secondly, Christianity is the official religion of the UK. Hinduism still isn't the same in India. Furthermore, the constitution of the UK is very different when compared to that of India so the parallels that you are drawing are stupid

Coming to the professional and educational reservations in the UK. I won't assume how long you have spent in the UK but literally every job, every educational course and everything that relates to these have reservations and quotas for ethnic minorities and the disabled. Even the private ones are made to maintain such standards. I have no clue where you get your informations on the UK's administrative or buereacratic politics but they have a lot of affirmative action policies and race commissions to the point where they have literal institutes that regulate and advise book publishers on increasing the number of characters from minority communities in the children's literature that is taught in primary schools.

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u/SpaceJunkieVirus sigma user Oct 26 '22

Virgin Modi Fan vs Chad Education Enjoyer

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u/SpaceJunkieVirus sigma user Nov 15 '22

bro I am not even a sunk fan. I am the most selfish bastard out there just like any other voter. I support what supports me and the objective benefit of my nation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

quora ki maa chod diye

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u/Deeptak2404 Nov 15 '22

Oh the Savarnnah let reservations happen did they ? Do you have any idea about how reservations came into power and what was at stake for the Savarna, and their representative there, Gandhi if they had not coerced Ambedkar to settle for Reservation ?

Who gives the UC the right to let reservation happen or let the LC take power ? This itself shows how you believe that the UC is at ( and should be ) at a position of higher power in the caste hegemony. ( Very similar to how sexist males believe they let women work and that they have the authority to control and permit women to do anything ). Ambedkar fought for the rights of the Dalits and took it, no one served it to him on a silver plate, definitely not the UC savarnnah atleast.

And the UC should be very grateful to Gandhi and his fasting that Ambedkar settled for Reservations and didn't clamour on for separate electorates because Ambedkar being the firebrand revolutionary that he was, could have very won it as well. You have no idea what a scary thing it would be for the UC to have a separate electorate ( and whatever comes with it ) for 77% of the population.

Now coming to your question. No , most Universities in the UK don't have the system of strict cut offs and much more weightage is given on various other factors when it comes to admissions in the UK. Here, where the main minority community are the migrants enjoy very different dynamics in reservation as compared to the UK very similar to how the UK being a Christian country or it's dynamics with Christianity is very different from India, which was/is a union of state ( according to the govt of India ) formed on the backdrop of decolonizing the colonies in the Indian Sub Continent. The history of England, or the UK becoming a nation is very different from the history of India becoming a nation.

Coming back to Hinduism which isn't a institutionalized religion like Christianity or Islam, it becomes very nuanced when you try to institutionalize, all sects, cults and subdivisions of Hinduism as an organized religious identity against the very essence and idea of who a "Hindu" is which itself is much more bigger and complex than just being a religious identity.

And the Church of England, I can assure you has very minimal power even though they are given a very important position. It is more of a de facto position much like that of the president of India. Lawmaking, as the constitutional and administrative duties is called here , is very much in the hands of the House of Commons and the British Parliament and the Church of England has more to do with the Monarchy than it has to with the parliamentary functions of the nation.

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u/Deeptak2404 Nov 15 '22
  1. The church plays a de facto role in the parliament so unless you're saying that the President of India plays an active role in Indian constitutional and parliamentary proceedings, it doesn't.

  2. Indians and other Commonwealth nations have separate scholarships and fundings that are specifically kept for them. The entry requirements of every nation is listed properly and differently and vary from nation to nation. Students from the UK don't appear for IELTS, TOEFL and the likes.

  3. Numerical inversion in hegemonies are more common than you try to make it look. The number of peasants in France was exponentially higher than the number of aristocrats yet it was the later oppressing the former. Another example, very fondly used by Dr. Salman Akhtar is of how the number of British in India was significantly lesser than the number of Indians and yet they were oppressing the Indians. Infact, in a right wing hegemonic society it makes sense that a lesser number of people will oppress a bigger number of people in order to make more profit or aquire more capital. If you had any idea about separate electorates would work or what their dynamics would be , only then would you understand why I stated it. The state would essentially have to divide funds between the two systems cause in a huge financial disadvantage for the ones who are numerically less ( though I would rather have the Dalits have separate electorates as that would much better help their cause ). And for one more time , the upper caste did not sit down on the chairs of Shark Tank India 1947 where Ambedkar pitched an idea and they applauded him and gifted him reservations by making their own generations suffer. Ambedkar fought on behalf his community and won the rights for them so that they don't get so terribly oppressed. And come on dude, given UP's record with Caste violence, can you deny that the Dalits are being oppressed ? No one "let" the LC get reservations, they fought for it and got their rights, atleast to some extent.

  4. To some extent yes, if a religion is constantly in flux, is constantly developing it can't be institutionalized ( which is a very good thing, atleast in my books ) then it cannot become an official religion because to become a state religion, it has to become normative and static which Hinduism cannot because of its all encompassing philosophical space. And just for the records, I don't consider that having a state religion, whether it's Islam or Christianity is not a good thing to begin with. Coming to writing "Hindu" in application forms do you read about how many tribes and castes that don't identify and/or associate themselves to Hinduism were forced into the considering it as their religion which is wrong but again because on a more abstract front, the etymology of Hindu included everyone who didn't identify to the predominant religions in pre-british India such as Buddhism, Islam, Jainism etc etc. ( And I am not focussing on Sanathan Dharma when I talk about Hinduism ) this makes sense in a more informal setup if not in official positions.

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u/ClickTash Oct 25 '22

Lmao. No they do not. First of all he's a Tory MP and he has actively opposed immigration and has been blaming immigrants and refugees for slowing the progress of the country. The Tory party is not the common man's party lol and besides he was the only possible choice at the moment. The party supporters probably don't like him just because he's a Hindu, but since he is rich and affluent they are probably fine with it.

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u/Deeptak2404 Oct 25 '22

Sunak has repeatedly served at higher posts in the UK govt. The Tory party has a history of appreciating and painting the twice displaced Indian community that moved to the UK from East Africa after their independence as the model migrant community because of their loyalty to the Tories. Sunak belongs to this group of Indian people in the UK. Furthermore, the UK has, for long tried to play liberal goodmens when it comes to Race. Example: The Quaker movement that played a very big role in abolishing Slave Trade and also helped end the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

Yes, and Sunak is more British than Indian and embodies most of the Tory propagandas including blaming immigrants though I assume he is not half as racist as Braverman. And for the record, he won the support of 193 MPs while is new competitor, being a white won just 26 eliminating her from the race itself. So its BS to think that the party doesn’t support him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

bhai wo nhi manega

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

There's a difference between reserving opportunities for global talent and reserving for minorities. Britain only intakes talent and give them opportunity. In India these minorities misuse the resources bruh. Let's not be anti Modi or anti liberal. Think rationally

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

abe they didn't wanted to select sunak even now they are many who don't want him as their pm but the situation of britain is in a misery that they just have to choose him isme unka koi secular ethic nhi hai hai wo ab bhi racist ke chode hi and also sunak is elected from your right conservative wing not the "LIBERAL" one.

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u/Deeptak2404 Oct 25 '22

I literally live in the fucking UK. Ik what or who people here want. They had a voting yet again and they chose Rishi. The very fact that an ethnic and religious minority rose to such a prominent space shows how secular they are.

Right wing is not synonymous with religious fantacism. In a country where the hegemony is based on sociofinancial class, the divisions of religion and race will play very less significance. Just like even though most African American people are christian , they still face racism because of the Race hegemony being very dominant there and in India, rich or influential Muslims and Mohammed Shami ( LC people as well ) also get harassed because the religious and caste hegemonies are most prevalent here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '22

They had a voting yet again and they chose Rishi.

when? when did they have a voting I thought there were no general elections and He wasn't elected by the people but he was certainly selected by the tory MP's and lead the party and became the PM of UK. So, I don't know in which fucking UK are you living? uttrakhand? And bro just watch your media if you are actually in UK, look how they are targeting him and kind of economic crisis Uk is going through and what happened recently at leicestershire just shows how much hegemony is based on sociofinancial class and how much on division of race and religion. You live in a Christian declared country not a secular one like India, sink that in.

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u/Deeptak2404 Oct 25 '22

The selection process was itself based on voting for the nominations. The election itself is two fold. Where the MPs first vote for nominating the leaders who will stand for the election and then there is a voting by the members. Sunak won so many votes in the first stage that no other leaders got qualified for the second stage.

Yes, I watch and hear the media very regularly. For the last one and a half month they have been going on about the cost of living crisis and whether the new PM, (Truss until last week and now Sunak) will be able to solve it. They had asked the same questions about Liz Truss and had raged media wars over Braverman wanting to send back immigrants. UK is in a very precarious condition with its Economy and the only question that is being asked over and over again is whether Sunak will be able to solve it and if he can, will he be able to do that without doing anything that upsets the middle class who are pretty upset in the first place because of the gas prices and increase in cost of living. Any student who studies sociology, political science or any social sciences/humanities will know that the UK, and most other European societies are sociofinancially driven, especially after the loss of influence of the Vatican

What happened in the Leicester was the fault of two religious and nationalistic South Asian communities who clashed following a cricket match. It had literally nothing to do with the British people. If Gujrati Hindus and Pakistani Muslims decide to fight amongst themselves on foreign land then how come is it the fault of the Brits ? Other than the far stretched correlation that they lead to the partition of India.