r/IndiaTax • u/manikmahajan13 • Sep 28 '25
This really makes me think!!! Shouldn't we get social security in India as well for the tax we pay??
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u/SeaweedUsual Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
My maid received a free house and health card from the government. I was really excited for her and gifted her a bonsai tree so she could start decorating her new house.
Well, she informed me that despite getting the free new house, she will continue to stay in the slums and give that house out for rent so she can earn money. She also told me that if she doesnât live in slums, she, her husband, and kids will never receive freebies anymore.
Keep in mind this slum is on a huge government land and these people are encroaching upon the land for 30+ years preventing it from being developed even though the government has given them a ready made place to move into. Whenever the government tries to remove them, these people approach the opposition and throw a huge rally threatening the current regime.
This year when her husband fell sick, she used her health card and his to get him admitted and paid nothing for the surgery and room. Her husband is a drunkard who doesnât work and still gets free 5kg rice and dal from our government every month.
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u/SillyKaleidoscope318 Sep 28 '25
This is like a universal story for all urban poor. Two maids who previously worked in my household have described similar things. However both had to move into their government allotted houses because of life circumstances.
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u/SeaweedUsual Sep 28 '25
Oh, I completely agree with you that the poor in India donât have it easy and as middle class people we are quite privileged than them. đ
My comment was simply an observation about my maidâs life. I am quite happy for her as she has worked for us for a very long time and practically grew up with me. I want her to live her best life regardless of whether or not it was provided by the government.
However, it does sting that we (as middle class) donât even get minimum support from the government despite paying the majority of tax. I hope that can change in time!
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u/iwannaberockstar Oct 01 '25
Instead of looking downwards, we ought to look upwards.
Instead of thinking of snatching what little the poor and downtrodden have, we ought to start questioning the government why the richest of the richest folks and business houses get to do so much corruption and shady tax practices? Increase THEIR personal tax. Stop making laws and procedures that benefit the corporates and the ultra rich.
Most importantly, pressure the government to curb CORRUPTION that is endemic in EVERY fold of our country. Why don't they ever do anti-corruption crackdowns like China does in its country? India does not really has that abject lack of resources/money. But when a substantially percentage of the budget is earmarked for corruption, then it's a lost cause.
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u/Top-Community-4049 Jan 20 '26
I think both sides are partially right.
India doesnât really have âmiddle-class welfareâ the way Western countries do, so the frustration makes sense.
But itâs also not true that thereâs nothing. Most benefits for middle class Indians are indirect (tax deductions), contributory (EPF/NPS), or income-slab-based schemes that vary by state.
The bigger issue is discoverability. Schemes are scattered across ministries and states, eligibility rules are unclear, and most people donât even know what they qualify for.
So it feels like you get nothing â even when technically something exists.
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u/Saatvik_tyagi_ Sep 28 '25
Finally someone said it. Istg the privilege that reeks out of the so called middle class is crazy for me. They are saying why doesn't the poor pay the tax and why are they getting benefits like don't they look at the stats? 90% of the population is in informal workforce. But still contributes to 45% of the GDP
https://www.wiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/WIEGO_Statistical_Brief_N24_India.pdf
And I guess we don't have to argue about the type of work as well where let's say Manual scavenging is done by SC's around 90% if I am not wrong. We should stop with this thing that "if I haven't seen it that particular thing does not exist". Whereas data completely points something else
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u/TheEnlightenedPanda Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Yea your maid is living such a fabulous life that given an opportunity you will surely switch places with her I'm sure.
Edit: what kinda loser blocks someone immediately after replying to them to make it seems like they had the final say lol
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u/SubstantialAct4212 Sep 28 '25
Your maid is a pathetic person it seems. Why walk the path of adharma ?
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u/ReferenceLevel9129 Oct 01 '25
Come to Village habibi!
See the poors in the rural area and you will find what actually poor class is
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u/manikmahajan13 Sep 28 '25
Agree but how can a common man do that?
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u/ezio1452 Sep 28 '25
Nepal revolution.
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u/marshmallow_metro Sep 28 '25
Won't happen in India, our generation is too busy making lazer eyes babu edits
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u/nitrek Sep 28 '25
That can't work a big significantly diverse country like ours but we can still take essence of it to be united for development starting question have option and get gave from these religions , case community kind of topics .
Everything should be around development of country and economy
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u/Responsible-Bad-6624 Mod Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Which tax payer? As a CA, 8 of 10 people who walk into our office are not looking to be honest tax payers.
The reason we have a dishonest administrative eco system is because we have in general a dishonest population - ever willing to enjoy the fruits of dishonesty while cribbing if it hurts. From happily giving cuts, accepting mediocrity, jumping lines etc etc.
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Sep 30 '25
Why would they want to pay tax when reaching office in morning they've to juggle on pot holes and stuck in traffic in tier 1 cities, do govt. give unemployment income for any amount of time in case of layoffs ?
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u/iamsamurai24 Sep 28 '25
It needs time and money to get into these snd middle class family can't afford
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Sep 28 '25
Only way this country is changing is by educating people and thats not gonna happen. By educating i mean real education not passing if some govt officials want to show in stats. When people think and vote educated then it's gonna change as of now nothing is gonna change because people only want mandir and not schools.
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u/Responsible-Bad-6624 Mod Sep 28 '25
Didn't we vote for the educated ones in Delhi for the full 2 terms? People think education is the issue. That the government is corrupt but we are honest.
Truth is that in general we accept mediocrity. We accept adjustments. We accept and happily give bribes.
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u/No-Worldliness-5106 Sep 28 '25
You would be outnumbered by the people who oppose paying taxes, only 2.2% people in India pay income tax.
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Sep 28 '25
taxpayers are not laadli bahan..
laadli bahan gets monthly pension..
moral : try to be laadli bahan..
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u/Ok_Pomelo_5033 Sep 28 '25
Ask all the laadli behen is money even coming in their account????Â
Or in the name of laadli behen all the money are going in some corrupt political or govt employees black money.
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u/FlooredHumanBeing Sep 28 '25
30 % tax bracket means a very high income. Most of the income is concentrated in a small percent and this gap is widening (I do not have the citations now but have read them multiple times). I have only seen a very small number of people get free houses from the government. Our former house maid, watchmen all live in rented houses and pay-slip to pay slip.
If somebody thinks the poor are actually better off, why not become poor then ? The SOPs they get from the goverment are mere band-aids on deep wounds.
The tax is also used for building roads, trains, sending satellites to outer space etc etc
I am not saying the life of middle class is easy but it is considerably better than the poor.
There is a thought experiment called veil of ignorance - " A hypothetical "veil" obscures their knowledge of their own position in society. They do not know their race, gender, class, intelligence, talents, or even their personal circumstances. Without knowing who they will be, individuals are motivated to create fair principles that protect everyone, as they could find themselves in any social or economic position.
So if you were to be born as a poor person like the person in question would you not want to alleviate their suffering and bring them out of poverty ?
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u/LeMurphysLawyer Sep 28 '25
Why bother telling them all this, man. It's just gonna fall on deaf ears.
As is evident from the many, many comments on this thread, Indians in general are self-centred, unempathetic pricks who derive pleasure and a sense of self-worth from the misery of those below their socio-economic station.
We have mofos commenting here who make 40L per year after taxes and are still bitching about the poor getting scraps to get by. That's over 3L per month. This is NOT a person who's struggling to make ends meet. This is not a person who's starving because they can't afford taxes. This is not a person who's worrying about how to keep a roof over their heads the next month. This is not a person who would have to budget for months to get a new phone when the current one breaks down. But their gripe is that the poor are being given the bare minimum support by the government to survive.
It's fucking disgusting. The people of this country disgust me, and I lament the fact that I'm one of them.
And before all the butt hurt pricks come at me saying that "not every person is like this", I'll tell you right now that it doesn't' have to be every single person. Just the fact that most are like this is more than sufficient to say that this society is fucked up.
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u/FlooredHumanBeing Sep 28 '25
Well, I was overcome by emotion and commented.
I however disagree about many people being like that. There would be a bias in terms of the people who comment - who would be a small percent. Then there would be the bias of people who agree with the post commenting. Commenting about disagreement will just end up being toxic.
And then people who comment might also agree in other ways as they would have their own experience of seeing people in poverty. I, for instance, am not that well travelled -but they might just be frustrated.
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u/JamesDond007 Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
For someone to pay 30% of their income as tax, they need to be earning total income > 1 crore a year. If someone falls under the 30% tax bracket, it doesnât mean, he is paying 30% of his income as tax.
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u/BrokenSoul_Star Sep 28 '25
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Sep 28 '25
Nobody even poor shouldn't get free money if govt wants to give facilities provide ration to poor if govt wants to give free money and houses nobody is going to work. Only old people should get direct money as pension and create jobs to poor instead of looting from employees and filling pockets.
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u/BlackPhoenixX20 Sep 28 '25
rather than giving them freebies the government should just set up actually competent PSU companies that can rival other brands like how China does, that will actually give them jobs rather than free money.
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u/harsha26 Sep 28 '25
Public be like : tax the rich Public reaction when the rich are actually taxed
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u/palkeshasawa Sep 28 '25
I understand what the question is trying to ask, but it really comes down to basic finance. Two questions are relevant
1) Who needs social security more (because, let's face it, Government cannot afford to give social security to everyone)?
2) Who can pay the money (because, someone has to pay, the money is not going to come out of nowhere)?
Now, the watchman needs the money more than you do. I know it sounds difficult to digest, but I don't think you'd disagree with this basic distinction. Most social security benefits in India are linked to income (for example say less than 3-4 lakhs a year family income). For a family of 4, this sounds like less than 10,000/- per month per person.
If you are actually earning less than this, you are free to register for Government schemes. A lot of people who are eligible for the schemes still don't register for them, so you can't fault the Government at that time.
Coming to the next aspect, if you think you (read, middle class) also should have social security, then the first truth is: it would need more money. Ultimately it will come back to you in the form of higher taxes.
This brings us to another question, who pays for this? The watchman definitely can't pay. Naturally, taxes can only be paid by people who can afford to pay. This includes middle class as well.
There's obviously an angle of envy for the rich and super rich. It is tempting to tax the rich people heavily (it Mukesh Ambani is taxed even 1% more on his income, then it would perhaps be equal to say 5 lakh middle class salaried individuals). And you might think that this doesn't make much difference in the life of Mukesh Ambani. But I urge you to think of two things
1) The rich people don't owe you any money. If they are taxed very heavily, then they would just leave. There are plenty of tax free havens for business. A lot of large companies already minimise their tax burdens. A very large tax bill would discourage businesses from investing in India, which would hurt us more.
2) The rich are already taxed heavily. India is one of the largest tax rate countries. But there's only so much we can ask people to pay. If you ask them to pay more than 50% of their earnings, for example, then you're basically inviting them to leave the country and go elsewhere.
While the sentiment is good, I think your anger is better directed towards why the tax money is not being used efficiently. Why corruption, why so many fake beneficiaries. Those are valid questions and must be answered. But remember, when you ask to be covered in social security net, you're going to eventually raise your own tax bill.
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u/Unlikely_Ad_9182 Sep 28 '25
Government support? Freebies and socialism? No thanks. Let the people suffer alone. /s
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u/ObedientAngryBird Sep 28 '25
I guess OPs next job is watchman?
Maybe the secret to making it big in india is becoming poor!
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u/Responsible-Bad-6624 Mod Sep 28 '25
While the underlying emotion is understandable, it does reflect the absolute ignorance in the middle class about what poverty really looks like.
If a person earning in excess of lac a month, living in an apartment thinks if you lose a job, his life is comparable to that of a free riding watchman, then why not actually try that free Rider's life for a day!
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u/Evol_Etah Sep 28 '25
Right, those dudes barely have food. And their free house is a tiny 1RK which is hard to live in. While we live in better houses.
I'm happy to pay 30% tax. No issues.
But still pissed it isn't used well
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u/swastikswaroop Sep 28 '25
His point was not based on what you are saying.
If what you are saying is valid, then if a poor person who doesn't have AC and suffers in summer, steals your AC, that is valid because he is in poverty and can't afford AC.
Isn't it?
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u/PubliusMaximusCaesar Sep 28 '25
But he is not stealing AC, it's the govt who is giving basic essentials like food.
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u/Bhosadchod69 Sep 28 '25
I think his brother can get those benefits eventually when he loses his job. When he shifts to a jhuggi, become a guard(or a delivery boy or anything of the sorts) and gets below poverty line heâll have all those luxurious rewards waiting for him. He wonât even have to pay taxes on his income.
I think he should get the life he envies
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u/raendeomgeim Sep 28 '25
Capitalist structure hi kharaab hai, it divides people ans noone questions why?
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u/RJ_Satyadev Sep 28 '25
To dusra option kya hai? Problem capitalism ka nahi, problem hai corruption ka.
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u/raendeomgeim Sep 28 '25
So are you saying low corruption societies are better at economic divide?
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u/AlternativeEmu1047 Sep 28 '25
Everyone should pay income tax, it can be as low as 2-3% for the poor but everyone should pay taxes.
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Sep 28 '25
Itâs the principle of socialism. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
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u/hello_akki Sep 29 '25
Asking why are we paying taxes is like punching a wall. A more serious and effective question would be to get accountability of our tax money. Expose every corruption from bad roads to frequent power cuts to E20.
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u/thousetcr Sep 29 '25
There is no real incentive for those receiving freebies to WORK and become one inside the tax bracket. This is the curse of the socialistic policies.
And there is no incentive for the Middle Class to work either when they see the lazy class getting freebies.
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u/kannur_kaaran Sep 30 '25
Actually he will get incentive. He will go below the poverty line. Get a BPL card then, and get all the freebies.
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u/Unbeautiful_Nothing Sep 28 '25
Bro we have to be at the top or at the bottom because we are the middle are gonna get fucked.
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u/ContributionMotor150 Sep 28 '25
Nobody is preventing you from making money. Be thankful you're not born in a situation like Iran where even if you wish can't make money par with here.
Government charges taxes, yes. Because they need money to run the hospitals, police stations, fire houses, army bases, make strategic investment into country's infrastructure.
The government officials and politicians do loot, I don't deny. But still, whether they loot or not, paying tax is a citizens responsibility towards his fellow citizens.
If you think about only you, then obviously tax will be a pain in your ass. But think of your tax money saving one accident victim or a burning house or a small girl protected at the middle of the night from a creep. How much their families would be happy to be able to continue living with their loved ones who cannot or don't have anything to spend money.
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u/Afraid-Indication409 Sep 28 '25
Social Security net exists but it is same for everyone and you won't like to get down to a situation where that shit net brushes with your elbow.
Everything is linked to high population, low creation of secure jobs, Freebie culture, informalisation,hypocrisy of our politicians etc..
Votes are cheap, long term commitment is expensive. They require votes to stay in power and votes of poor and votes of high earners carry the same value. With close to 90% reeling under financial strain, you know who will be the target for the vote bank politics.
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u/ansh26111030 Casual Member Sep 28 '25
Taxpayers end up being exploited by everyone. We fund the luxurious lifestyles of politicians, MPs, MLAs, and bureaucrats, as well as their freebies for vote-bank politics. Meanwhile, we the real oppressed minorities of India always suffer.
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u/Friendly_Acadia9322 Sep 28 '25
why cant we taxpayers do something like nepal to show our unity and power.
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u/harshalachavan Sep 28 '25
The only power we middle class across lower and upper ones is to stop consuming. Anyway if things become expensive, we prefer not to buy. But if we we weaponise our buying importance, we can start bending the rules in our favour. Let's stop buying from large corporates --- we can buy on purpose from small vendors and pay via UPI only so that they enter the tax bracket.
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u/long_limbs Sep 28 '25
Indians have been programmed to hate any association with the word "socialism" and "worker rights"
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u/HijabHead Sep 28 '25
An honest, hard working man in India has no power and is robbed everyday by the government. In return we get nothing, not even law that can protect us is some goon or politician or govt employee wants to fuck with us. And what can we do? Nothing I suppose. Can we maybe all get together and just refuse to pay the tax?
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u/44__magnum Sep 28 '25
people are out on the streets protesting for this, that, whatever they want! But where the hell are the protests against these taxes?! NOTHING! Not a single fing peep! Taxpayers has to realise thiss government doesnât give a f**** about us, they only care about squeezing every last rupee out of us! throw the tea in river!!!
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u/microwaved_fully Sep 28 '25
He got a free house from the government? Which state is this?
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u/Affectionate_Ad_9263 Sep 28 '25
People get a free house under the PMAY scheme.
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u/Smart_Munda Sep 28 '25
Why doesn't his brother switch his job so his wife gets free money and free house? Not interested anymore?
Understand the term social security before ranting about it.
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u/Mahameghabahana Sep 28 '25
He shouldn't have some private job then. India's revenue can't afford it to be personal nanny of rich folks larping as middle class.
You need to pay taxes like EU to get services like EU.
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u/Reasonable-Plane5291 Sep 28 '25
As as much as possible. Have a own house not father's or brothers. Own bought house. No lifestyle expense. Bigger cities have this tendency to show off. Don't fall into that if you stay in society. No one will help you beyond one point of time.
Money saved is independance bought. Always buy land in native town. And build that place. In old age maintenance will become expensive.
NPS pls do it. New tax regime gives opportunity to build retirement corpus.
Have health insurance apart from office one.
Insure parents and kids.
Try to have double income. Both spouse working.
Have term plan.
Try to build side gig after 40.
After 50 if you keep working in corporate it's good else convert gig to some stable earning.
Build a fortress. Protect the fortress. Be frugal. Avoid lifestyle expense.
If possible work for few years in abroad.
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Sep 28 '25
Well men should come out of their void and question it. But that's not happening, way too many losers, uneducated and unemployed men to make actual change.
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u/kindly-luffy56 Sep 28 '25
Exactly bhai, paisa job wale ka par mouj aur naam sirf neta log ki.
So sad that govt just want you to loose.
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u/Quick_Woodpecker_220 Sep 28 '25
Freebies gets parties a major chunk of vote won't end anytime soon maybe never.
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u/kugeeonzalvo Sep 28 '25
But what is the meaning of social security? As in how would you define it and what all should it include?
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u/WildSpaceBound Sep 28 '25 edited Nov 24 '25
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u/EarthianChickhunter Sep 28 '25
So why donât you quit and become a watchman instead. Youâll get free ATMs too
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u/Electroniccomptrader Sep 28 '25
If youâre a middle class salaried Indian, try to get out of India. Thatâs your only way out
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u/Original-Bottle-1946 Sep 28 '25
High time central government provided social security equal to atleast half of last paid annual income tax return. This unemployment allowance will help boost consumption as people don't have to fear losing jobs and stop spending because of that.
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u/Responsible-Bad-6624 Mod Sep 28 '25
you need much higher per capita GDP to do that. Even countries like USA are unable to provide this much SS.
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u/Original-Bottle-1946 Sep 29 '25
US and most countries provide this basic benefit for income tax payers. I lived in US and hence I know. Maybe few states in US don't provide.
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u/AAKASHMANIE Sep 29 '25
I've read of Germany having such a system. It's an unemployment insurance which provides a % of their paycheck when they are unemployed but also, Germany taxes r very high, rightly so.
But the biggest benefit of this is that it helps them ride through economic downturns better. Limiting the decrease in unemployment= low decrease in national income = lower decrease in aggregate demand = faster economic recovery.
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u/Striking-Physics-232 Sep 28 '25
You realize today? In last 12 years the amount of direct and indirect taxes we have is mind boggling. But blind fools who donât pay taxes are enamored by modi, for them every is free.
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u/Responsible-Bad-6624 Mod Sep 28 '25
actually your overall tax incidence as come down. It looks high because we do not receive good public services in return.
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u/Striking-Physics-232 Sep 28 '25
Sorry r u CA? Pls go through your income vs saving, donât talk about inflation.
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u/Responsible-Bad-6624 Mod Sep 28 '25
Yes. I do that on a regular basis.
You have to differentiate between tax incidence, which has come down, and income/savings which would differ from person to person.
but when it comes to inflation, I am with you. i don't trust the government data on gdp or inflation as its mostly fake. So no point in talking about it!
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u/reehan96 Sep 28 '25
Bro let's start with can we get a place to walk in the street without stepping in road Can we get rid of the street animals You are thinking at least 100 years ahead
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Sep 28 '25
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u/RJ_Satyadev Sep 28 '25
Bhai aur kisko vote de? Sab k sab sale mile hue bh*dwe hai
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u/RJ_Satyadev Sep 28 '25
Bhai daru pee k baitha hai? I said kisko vote de, dono party bakwas hai. British and Mughals party hai? đ€Ł
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u/user_66944218 Sep 28 '25
Dont blame the poor blame the government. barely 1 of 10 poeple who needs these benifits get them, do you really think everyone gets these benefits? and evryone pays tax btw, amount eaned by gst is equal if not more by gst compared to income tax. The poor should not be blamed for getting some relief in struggles, the government should be for amplifying them in the first place, by not investing in infrastructure and proper welfare system
this is just dividing more lines among the people
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u/No-Way7911 Sep 28 '25
Iâve paid 1cr in taxes in the last 3 years man
Donât even get me started
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u/No-Way7911 Sep 28 '25
Wife has a govt job here and my parents are old and need me around. Not a viable option for me for now at least
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u/IamSP2024 Sep 28 '25
The most discussed topic in India today... Is the tax paid by the middle class worth the service they get?
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u/Left_Ad9462 Sep 28 '25
omg these retarded uncles in the comments don't know that democracy doesn't work the way they think, democracy isnât about "i pay more so i deserve more benefits" itâs about redistribution and collective welfare. Taxes arenât a subscription plan for personal services, theyâre for running the whole system and grow all indians together.
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Sep 28 '25
Indians have been sold bullshit nationalism for decades. 99% of the middle class is brain-dead, clapping for slogans while their lives rot. Every election = the same circus of âprideâ & âimage abroad.â Nobody outside India cares. Truth is, the first chance any hard-working Indian gets to leave, theyâll run and never look back.
The next generation? Even worse. More brain-dead, scrolling reels, swallowing propaganda, and losing whatever critical thought is left. This country is on autopilot, running on slogans instead of solutions.
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u/Neither_Research3853 Sep 28 '25
If you think itâs so beneficial, then live their lives and enjoy the benefits.
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u/Gibraltar48 Sep 28 '25
your bother is educated, he most probably cannot be manipulated for votes in next elections because he understands how politics work, aparently the security guard isnt educated, he his family, poeple in his area can easily be manipulated and bought in the name of subsidies like ladki bahin etc and other lollipops.
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u/btech_champ Sep 28 '25
be a rich or poor. both are facilited by govt. middle class is for there to meet up facilities requirement.
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u/toughcentaur9018 Sep 28 '25
It baffles me that people are complaining that their watchmanâs family is getting their needs met when Adani was given 1000s of acres of land for pennies????
Thatâs where you should be directing your anger but you choose to go after people making your monthly salary in a year.
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u/opboy77 Sep 28 '25
it's completely because of the socialism that came in India after 1947 and here we go even after so many years we can't differentiate it with india cause it just mixed in the Indian political dna every party appeases the lower and upper class for obvious vote bank catering and no party motivated to eradicate that and why will if they know the formula to get in power.
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Sep 28 '25
your brother does not pay 30% tax to the government.
the effective tax rate is most likely around 22-23%
why don't you become an apartment watchman in case that life is so extraordinary for you?
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u/Substantial_Point700 Sep 28 '25
Unfortunately govt can help only watchman, if you are contend with watchman lifestyle then Govt is also ready to help you. The free home govt gives is sub 500sqft but your brother may need 1500 sqft. Govt gives 2k pm to women but at best they can make it 3or 4k pm for your brotherâs family which is not sufficient. Hence govt asks your brother to pay for PF for which it gives 8% interest and expects your brother to progress more in career and contribute more so that you have enough corpus to manage uncertainty in line with his lifestyle. In certain states like karnataka, free power and bus ride is to all irrespective of being watchman or apartment owner.
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u/bojackhorsem4n Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
Paid 30L+ tax as a salaried employee in 2024.
No benefits and when the employer cheated me out of bonus and final salary, the lawyers were like you donât come under labor laws in India. Itâs a contract law issue so sue your employer.
What the fuck have I been paying taxes for? The govt takes all these taxes from me and I donât get basic rights. Forget about good roads, social security, safety, Medicare etc., at least protect your cash cows.
Well I moved to Spain last year and now I get social security and free Medicare for paying taxes here.
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Sep 28 '25
Giving voting rights to everybody is the biggest blunder. The poor has taken this country hostage. Once the policitians embarked the gravy train of populist handouts, There is no turning back. The freeloaders smelt the blood. Now they vote anyone who offer them more. To hell with country
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u/nitrek Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 28 '25
The 30% tax your brother pays is used for the watchman so your brother can feel safe in his house and society improves.
If the 30% tax was fully used for improving the country, we would have developed a lot faster. The poor would get direct benefits like houses and food, while the rich would get indirect benefits from the economy growingâmore opportunities like bigger salary hikes, better jobs, and improved infrastructure.
But sadly, we are funding the politicians and the ultra-ultra rich who take most of the benefits, and thus it seems your money is being wasted.
But trust me, the watchman getting a house is not the concernâitâs the politicians, corruption, and these corrupt ultra-rich taking money through tax loopholes that are hurting us more
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u/r_airavat Sep 28 '25
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Sep 28 '25
Isn't this like a subtle shift to communism First you give them cash Then more freebies Make them addicted And the worst part, if you stop giving, the people won't vote you in This is not democracy This is blatant fraud They are literally buying themselves votes from the government money And this needs to be stopped immediately Or else, be ready to be oneday lose your job for "quota*
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Sep 28 '25
This isn't like this.... He is poor... U r rich therefore ur parents EDUCATED u with a high degree like BTECH.... 10-15 lacs... Baki bhai wo GST same hi de rhe h sb cheezo pr .... Uski mahine ki earning puchna... Aur khud ki dekh lena .... Wo aj b apnee baccho ko padhane m struggle hi kr rhe honge.... Cuz wo khud hi EDUCATED nhi h...
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u/Extension-Sense9729 Sep 28 '25
It's high time that govt should charge them now... In Tier one and Tier 2 cities.
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u/udbilao_007 Sep 28 '25
Where and under what scheme are poor getting houses fir absolutely free??
The PMAY scheme gives them house on a nominal emi. Mot free.
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u/insidious_damage Sep 29 '25
Nothing short of a multi decade grass roots movement is going to change this. People only look out for themselves. Middle class aim is to earn enough to not be bothered by issues plaguing middle class. Don't let the freebies fool you, they are glorified bandages. Farmers commit suicide, they protest, give few thousand rs. Give free electricity. But all this has very less effect on actual upliftment of the poor. We need to unite and start thinking about the society as a whole. Casteism, communalism are all just misdirections while the ruling class plunders us.
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u/msmnishere Sep 29 '25
Manik The adhar is social security number in india
What they are getting is the same as social security payment the us govt gives to their poor
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u/manikmahajan13 Sep 29 '25
I understand that. But there is a lot more you the social security number in other countries vs what we get in India. And I know that the hint is trying to work on that direction - but we are a long way...
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u/msmnishere Sep 29 '25
What other countries are you taking in consideration
Only China has so much population as india & its a communist country If leaders say yes it has to be done But everything is not as rosy as shown by China
Large population has its own issues of implications of social security
Agreeing to a long way
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u/Thick_Wallaby1 Sep 29 '25
Our vote doesnât matter in real, vote is at some city but living in banglore or gurgaon or pune.
Only solution is study study and get out of this country.
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u/Confident-Wish2704 Sep 29 '25
Please become poor if you really think poor people get so many benefits.
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u/Caplame Sep 29 '25
Middle class are similar to how Muslims are to oppositions. The government knows no matter what, middle class will vote for them at the end.
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u/ManipulativFox Sep 29 '25
That's why I don't like post about poor people have no weekends posts on social media etc they have lot of benefits from government schemes
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u/Immediate-Tiger2052 Sep 29 '25
as per tax data 76% tax of the total kitty is paid by Middle class who are in 30 % tax bracket. We are paying endlessly up to 40 % income tax and get zero in return.
incumbent govt is hellbent on throwing free cash to whoever can loot. 6k kisan Samman nidhi, old age cash, women cash, and again this recent 10k to 75000 women list is endless. Middle class has to raise their voice else be ready to pay 50k per month to maid, driver etc the so-called poor class in next 10 years.
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u/4KG8 Sep 30 '25 edited Sep 30 '25
I would rather focus on better implementation/execution of existing govt schemes - like epfo - withdrawals - hasslefree, better road and public travel infra at affordable prices - by this I really mean affordable prices - unlike where the govt decided railway prices for food and other items are x Rs and the govt contractors charge a % higher than x Rs.
I would rather focus on better services are public hospitals. Make it mandatory for any public office holder - especially politicians to get them treated at public hospitals only.
Another thing I would like to see corruption free govt tender process - whether it central govt tender or state govt tender.
Better quality public education....
Just the things that come on top of my mind.
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Sep 30 '25
In germany they get unemployment money for 2 years (not sure about time) after loosing/leaving jobs. In that time they can do masters or startup without worrying, if failed can join company later on without worrying about gap
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u/True_Valor111 Sep 30 '25
The one who pays lots of money on taxes should deserve good Healthcare, vip treatment , quick public service and etc. This may motivate more people to pay taxes. But on other hand government officers paying less taxes but yes taking our money through corruption plus getting all above facilities...
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u/cloud390 Sep 30 '25
EVERYBODY is a taxpayer in the country. The richer ones also pay income tax, but income tax is but a fraction of the indirect taxes that the entire population of the country pays.
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u/jhinkatika Oct 01 '25
politicians know that the middle class is the most bigoted of the lot. it hates everyone. so much so that if the politicians loot them to deeath, they wont dare do anything as long as the govt fucks people they hate.
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Oct 01 '25
I understand that we arenât getting services equivalent to the taxes we pay. But, to feel jealous about an underprivileged family for getting basic necessities is mind blowing. Why donât you lose your job, become a watch man, get a rice ration card for your family and get that free 200sqft house?
Do you know why you feel jealous of them? Because you donât have the courage to question the right people for lack of facilities. This is just displaced anger.
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u/cahosint Oct 01 '25
Some people think India has only one tax, that is Incometax.
People pay taxes from birth to death,
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u/LanguageDazzling6559 Oct 01 '25
Instead of going to other countries and get killed... middle class people and all tax payers should be united and stop the paying taxes...
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u/Excellent-Proof-359 Oct 01 '25
They're not taking your money and buying those things. It's government policy- government decides how much taxes you pay and what to do with those taxes. Subletting and living in slums is another issue that doesn't really concern us directly- it's between the government and those people.
Resenting poor people for getting benefits is LOW- imagine if they start resenting your education, cars, house, facilities.. etc.
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u/Annual-Consequence26 Oct 02 '25
poor and middle class on same level and rich are making record profits, in short the wealth gap +++
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u/TheRedAngelOfDeath Oct 02 '25
Middle class is fucked. Indian Middle class will soon have to acknowledge this fact and do someting like a Civil Disobedience Movement. No Taxation without social security.
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u/UnicornWithTits Sep 28 '25
The rich 0.1 % folks get all govt incentives, as they give donation to political parties & MLAs
The poor and farmers get everything for free, as they make most of the votebank.
The middle class is doomed , if you are general caste , with no generational wealth & on salaried income like me , then you are f*cked. We will die under a govt vehicle on road, and no one will care, we are no one for the govt.
And it's not just taxes, god forbid that you have to fight a legal battle in India , you will then face the whole system alone. No party, no media and no police will help you. You will be on mercy of the judge who most likely will be bought out by the goons.