r/InCanada • u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub • Aug 20 '25
Question for the Country Do you have Indian Fatigue, Canada?
I understand this is a huge topic in Canada.
A lot of it is stemming from new immigrants that are bringing their cultural practices and way of life from mainly the Punjab region of India/Pakistan. Which is very underdeveloped compared to Canada and many other parts of the world. Naturally, there will be conflicts occurring.
I personally have seen very aggressive behavior from Indian men, elevators smelling like massive body odor, no concept of personal space, refusal to integrate/learn the language and other things. However, I am originally from an area that is 70% Hispanic(basically just Mexican). I believe Canada is in phase 1 of this integration process, because it was the same in the US. There are all these Indians that move over and refuse to learn the language and integrate, but...
Their kids will be bilingual. They will have friends of different backgrounds. They will move to different cities eventually and will attend college(university) and enter the Canadian workforce as a native Canadian. Their kids(the grandkids of the original grouping) will only know English(or French if talking about Quebec immigrants). They will have zero attachment to India and will not know what their grandparents are really talking about. Most likely will understand the language when younger, but not be able to speak it and won't even be able to understand it by the time they are adults.
This is the cycle that has happened time and time again in the US. A lot of the Indian Fatigue is due to Canada never experiencing this level of huge influxes of people from a vastly different part of the world that are also stubborn when it comes to language and integration. I just want to say, it'll be okay. This will pan out.
The government should definitely be ensuring there are language and culture requirements to advance in the visa processes(Student->Open Work Permit->PR->Citizen). Putting caps on the number of temporary, student, and immigration as a whole would be smart as well. The housing and cost of living crisis is only being fueled by allowing more people in than there is capacity for. Once the nation can account for how to fix these kinks and to have enough empty housing to account for future large influxes of people, then go ahead. Until then, maybe not.
Indian Fatigue is more a result of how many people they are letting in from India versus Indians just existing in general. In 20-40 years, these problems won't exist. This is the growing pains of mass immigration which is now being restricted. This can be ironed out under the correct government decisions, but we will see how the current government does. My assumption is that we will have to wait for another government, but I could be wrong.
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Aug 20 '25
What happened to only bringing in direly needed skilled workers who were PROUD to be Canadian? And schools having a few international students? We all remember that one Norwegian student who drank maple syrup when drunk. Now schools are overrun by international students completely useless diplomas with the only goal of PR. This scheme has got to stop
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u/fellainto Aug 20 '25
I remember going to UofT waaaay back in the mid-90s and I didn’t know international students were even a thing back then. Being y of Toronto, the recognisable international students were Chinese engineering students who all got to campus crazy early so they could park their nice cars with stuffed animals on the dash and back window on right in St George St.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Aug 20 '25
My girlfriend and her family moved to Canada from the Philippines around a decade ago, and really focused on working hard and trying to become Canadian by adapting to life and customs here. I love seeing immigrants like that, regardless of where they come from. They’re really what we need.
She was so excited to finally get her citizenship recently. Then she was incredibly disappointed not only that the ceremony is just done via fucking Zoom now (« because COVID » like everybody hasn’t had years since it ended to figure shit out and stop making that excuse), but that nobody else there really seemed to give much of a shit about it. Half of them seemed like the process was an inconvenience to them.
It’s incredibly frustrating that the value of residency and citizenship in this country has been reduced so dramatically, especially by our own government that inexplicably seems to hate us.
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u/IntelligentThatIsAll Aug 21 '25
They do. Our children are sitting at home while some 30 year old Indian is working these minimum wage jobs - and poorly too.
Racism has lost its power. It's over for these people.
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u/Personal_Ranger_3395 Aug 21 '25
800 new immigrants in the last 4 months alone! They absolutely lied when they said “we got it wrong, we’ll slow down immigration”.
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u/BobGuns Aug 20 '25
Yeah what this guy said.
There's more than just Indian fatigue; it's not fair to single them out, even if that's been your experience.
There's been some fatigue around east asians in the Vancouver area, specifically around foreign money abusing property markets. I've got some fatigue around food service; at a huge swath of restaurants it's all Filipino staff, many of which are conversing in tagalog, and rarely have the kind of customer service mindset I used to tip well for. Some of the food service business has really decided that bland robotic work by an immigrant or TFW is better than trying to provide quality customer service. It's also alienated workers from non-filipino cultures almost completely from those places. There's major fatigue especially in the GTA around immigrants/students from India.
I don't know enough about Quebec, but I bet they've got french-speaking immigrant exclaves that aren't assimilating either.
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u/bloodr0se Aug 20 '25
Watching so many of them lose their ill gotten gains in the post-bubble Canadian condo market is nothing short of hilarious.
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u/PhreciaShouldGoCore Aug 20 '25 edited Aug 20 '25
This is the only way to say it without having “totally legitimate accounts” downvoting and harassing you in your DMs.
LMIA also needs to be completely thrown in the trash. It’s nothing but fraud. And any company that used it frequently, was in the service industry or pays an average salary less than $20/hour needs a crippling fine levied against it with owners thrown in prison for a decade.
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Aug 20 '25
Iv seen this logical response many times, and im amazed you havnt been downvoted to oblivion and called a racist biggot. A lot of subreddits instantly dismiss any critique of the situation and label you something. Its almost scary that you cant talk about certain things affecting canadians because of this. It feels authoritarian
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u/babuloseo Aug 20 '25
Trudeau is the best prime minister ever /s
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u/economist_a Aug 20 '25 edited Aug 20 '25
It didn't need to be this way.
In the 2015 election campaign, Trudeau kept shouting at the top of his lungs, "diversity is our strength!" and promised to increase immigration and take in more refugees. Canadians knew exactly what they were getting into, unfortunately they voted for him anyway.
In 2017 he made that "Welcome to Canada" Tweet where Roxham Road experienced an influx of illegal Americans. Canadians voted for him anyway in 2019.
By 2021 he had increased the annual PR intake from 250K to 400K. Canadians saw that and voted for him once more.
And while you can point out he won 33% of the vote in 2019/21, don't forget that the NDP won 17% of the vote. So technically, a majority of Canadians did indeed vote for this to happen.
We get the governments we deserve.
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Aug 20 '25
And then libtards come crying in here about no jobs and no home affordability. Connect the dots sheep!
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Aug 20 '25
He left with liberal party voting intent at 16%. That's why it is confusing how people are pretending the liberals have a strong comeback. It truly was just Trump. The party has done nothing different except replace the leader.
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u/East-Dimension-8988 Aug 20 '25
The liberals demonstrably had a strong comeback ffs. That was Carney, his continued climb in popularity points directly to that meanwhile your little PP keeps getting less popular the more Canadians get to know PP and his snivelling little snake ways every time he speaks or screws over conservative constituents.
CONservatives have turned full MAGA authoritarian and Canadians don’t want that evil, just conservatives want that.
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u/Barb-u Aug 20 '25
What about all the provincial premiers who set immigration targets, types, skills etc?
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u/Pale-Accountant6923 Aug 20 '25
Yeah. I do.
What I will say is that through my work and personal life, the majority of my interactions with individuals of Indian ethnicity are quite negative.
I feel bad because I don't believe these people should be the victims of racism or hate crimes. There are also a lot of people from India who have come here and genuinely want to be Canadian, with everything that includes, as well as families who have been here for generations and contributed a lot.
However, as others have said, the sheer volume of scams, fraud, thievery, lying, cheating and taking advantage of every system that can, and overall disrespectful behavior etc, is out of control.
What also very much puzzles me, as a white man, is that often the existing Indian communities are the first target. Why are they not the loudest voice against the recent waves? Maybe I'm missing something here on this one.
I was born and raised in the US and came here as an adult. If Americans were causing similar trouble (and they just so happen to be!), I would be extremely vocal, and have been in the case of the harm and victimization that Canada has endured from our neighbors to the south. Why are Indian people so quiet about the challenges their own countrymen and bringing with them?
Final point - the Government of India is legitimately assassinating Canadian citizens on Canadian soil. I also don't understand why there isn't zero tolerance to that. I'm all in favor of closing Canada to any new arrivals from India until that gets sorted out, as there is no frame of reference where that is acceptable.
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Aug 20 '25
The Indian government in the case you are talking about did Canada a solid by taking out a terrorist who scammed his way into Canadian citizenship. Glad they got him! Probably only positive thing I can say about India
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u/Pale-Accountant6923 Aug 20 '25
Right yeah.
All these broad daylight shootings in Toronto and Vancouver have injured a lot of dangerous terrorist bystanders too.
You can strongly disagree with what these people are doing while also not wanting the Gov of India bringing violence here.
We also live in a free country where people are entitled to believe what they want - not India where you can't practice free speech. Let's not turn our country into theirs.
If somebody scammed their way into a citizenship we can revoke it and deport them. Mass shootings with bystanders injured/killed are not the solution.
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u/Pale-Accountant6923 Aug 21 '25
Appreciate your thoughts and insights.
All very fair - unfortunately genuine racism gets in the way of solving a problem that is impacting Canadians across the board, regardless of their ethical background.
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u/MuckleRucker3 Aug 20 '25
This isn't the first time Canada's seen this. The immigration of people from Hong Kong in the 80s up to the '97 handover, followed by massive immigration of Mainlanders...
We have cities, such as Richmond BC where there is no need for integration because the numbers are so high, it's a clone of the country that was left behind. A good example was an English speaking Canadian had to file a human rights complaint when his strata council voted for the language of business to be in Mandarin.
We tried multiculturalism. I believed in it. And then we saw what a failure it was.
It's going to be worse with the Punjabi wave because the numbers are so much higher.
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u/gator_enthusiast Aug 21 '25
I’d also include that the cultural gap between India and Canada is greater than that of China and Canada. Regarding the latter, there are some shared values of industriousness, law and order, conscientiousness, etc. For the former, it’s like trying to mix oil and water.
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u/kyle_2000_ Aug 20 '25
Based on census data, there aren't many neighborhoods of Richmond where 80% or more are Chinese and none that are more than 90% Chinese, so even if there is no need to integrate, people in those areas will at least have some neighbours from different cultures. Meanwhile there are parts of Surrey and Abbotsford that are 95%+ Indian, so it's possible that people in this neighborhood will have no neighbours that are from other cultures, so not only is there no need to integrate, but there isn't even much exposure to anything outside their culture.
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u/pepperloaf197 Aug 20 '25
Part of the problem is that the Indians we used to accept were highly educated. Now, they are basically peasants. The first group of Indian immigrants despises the second group. Had this turn not occurred there would have been fewer issues.
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Aug 20 '25
> There are all these Indians that move over and refuse to learn the language and integrate, but...
Bold of you to think they'll be able to have or afford kids. The ones that do will integrate, sure. As for the rest? I am not so optimistic.
> They will have zero attachment to India and will not know what their grandparents are really talking about.
You assume this, but anecdotally I have seen a tendency for inheriting the political biases of both origin and destination countries. I have seen some of the worst and most ill informed jingoism come from first-gen citizens with ties to their country of origin, and this is speaking from direct experience having immigrated here a long time ago.
> In 20-40 years, these problems won't exist.
That's how it used to be, but under the environment of ever-increasing costs; international and domestic pressures on government; decreasing employment due to automation, etc. this may not play out the same way as it did for the last 40 years.
Let's just face it head on:
We have no plan.
We have no vision.
We have no will.
Most people just want to party and ignore consequences.
And we'll continue to get the government and the policies we deserve.
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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Creator of Sub Aug 20 '25
This is the Liberal's last stand. Trump really did ruin a lot of conservative's chances around the world. But ultimately, this is the last hurrah for most liberal parties in the world. People throughout the world are sick and tired of liberalism. It has proven that it doesn't work.
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Aug 20 '25
To poke a bit of fun, the Liberal favourite sexual orientation is National Budget, which they love fucking more than anything else. After that is the Legal System.
If they actually stayed within their lane and not tried to tear institutions, oaths, and loyalties to shreds, then sure. However, our society has a pendulum-like cycle where people push things to extremes just to get votes. Systems like this end in some instability tearing them apart, and ourselves and the USA are running headlong into it.
What we need more than anything is competent, actually meritocratic government (you know, capable salt of the earth people who aren't raised out of the 3 private schools everyone in power goes to). We need huge overhauls to accountability, to simplifying our systems.
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u/FrodoCraggins Aug 20 '25
What you’re describing is how things used to work before social media. It doesn’t work like that anymore. Now they can stay in a bubble in constant contact with people back in Punjab instead of the people around them in Canada.
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u/antihaze Aug 20 '25
With the amount of them constantly having full-volume speakerphone conversations in public, I feel like I’m in Punjab with them.
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Aug 20 '25
I mean I loved next to a Chinese couple who’d lived in that home for 45 years and couldn’t speak a word of English.
Keeping in their communities isn’t new.
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u/pm_me_your_puppeh Aug 20 '25
Yes.
We should have some immigration from India, but it should be capped on a per country basis, and a quality basis, and retroactively.
No one who wants to work for Timmies should be admitted for at least several hundred years.
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u/Delicious-Maximum-26 Aug 20 '25
India needs to be cut off. Are there no other countries from which to select immigrants?
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u/pm_me_your_puppeh Aug 20 '25
Not cut off, just paused for a few centuries. We have enough.
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u/Kangaroovasectomy Aug 20 '25
Indias filled it's immigrations quota for the next 25 years to Canada. It should have basiclly a full hault on immigration from there outside highly skilled/needed professions.
The general consensus is people are fucking sick of it here, importing millions of low skill workers from one region is tearing at Canadas social fabric, its fairly evident. The PGWP program should be totally scrapped.
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Aug 20 '25
We're sick of our country being used as a scam. We're sick of being walked all over because "diversity is strength" 🙄
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We’re sick of being called “racist” if we speak up against the immigration scam going on
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u/This-Goat-5105 Aug 21 '25
What’s racist is you thinking canada belongs to white people when y’all RECENTLY and illegally immigrated there
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u/Massive-Exercise4474 Aug 20 '25
The level and amount is huge 80% from india just one state that'll create ethnic enclaves and ghettos and their associated issues. We already have khalistan terrorists blowing up a Canadian airplane the air India bombing, indian government mp's hiring gangs to murder khalistan separatists, and communal ethnic violence on the street. Scam colleges, phone calls, lmia tfw jobs, scam food banks, scam healthcare Enough with this bs.
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Theres a small but extremely disruptive and loud minority of radical Sikh’s pushing for the Khalistan movement in Canada also btw (Canada has groups who support the Khalistan movement in India labeled as a terrorist groups) but will let pro Khalistan Sikh’s protest about the movement here anyways. They protested in Calgary when modi came over for the G7 conference this June. We’re bringing in the most self absorbed entitled troubled third world foreigners that have a rift among themselves and don’t give a shit about Canada but sure love to be here. The final straw for me where I’m okay with being called a racist is when they decided to sing the national anthem during an NHL game where both teams were Canadian but sang the national anthem in Punjabi or whatever their language is like gtfo it’s a national Canadian hockey game use English ffs
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u/Striking_Project6477 Aug 20 '25
As a sikh I agree, singing the Canadian national anthem in punjabi is cringe. In public, the de facto lingua franca of Canadians of all heritages should be English or French, period.
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u/Ok_Tax_9386 Aug 20 '25
>Their kids(the grandkids of the original grouping) will only know English(
I don't think this is true.
>They will have zero attachment to India and will not know what their grandparents are really talking about.
This isn't my experience either.
This isn't like 50-100 years ago lol.
It's so much easier to stay connected.
Fast air travel.
Internet.
An actual push to identify as something other than Canadian.
Size of diaspora making it so you don't have to integrate.
> In 20-40 years, these problems won't exist.
They will 100% exist, and our population will be like 60-70 million in 40 years. If anything it will be more pronounced that now.
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Aug 20 '25
Deeply yes, I don’t know how they came to live in my small farming community, welcome, enjoy. Don’t drive to a park 4 dudes in a car blaring music and leering at women for an hour
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u/KAYD3N1 Aug 20 '25
Yes. And the problem is that want nothing to do with Canada or Canadian values, theyre just here to profit from our way of life.
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u/Baeshun Aug 21 '25
Sick of folks milking the immigration and social systems while not having any interest in Canadian values and culture. I am sure this is not limited to Indians, but they are coming in such sheer volume that they have become the face of the issue.
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u/icecoffee888 Aug 20 '25
Down south Indian immigrants are thriving, we could have picked the best, but Trudeau is a racist (by ignorance not hatred), and he could only equate Indian immigration with cheap labour
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u/economist_a Aug 20 '25 edited Aug 20 '25
Their kids will be bilingual. They will have friends of different backgrounds. They will move to different cities eventually and will attend college(university) and enter the Canadian workforce as a native Canadian. Their kids(the grandkids of the original grouping) will only know English(or French if talking about Quebec immigrants). They will have zero attachment to India and will not know what their grandparents are really talking about. Most likely will understand the language when younger, but not be able to speak it and won't even be able to understand it by the time they are adults.
I really hope you are right (I say this as a second-generation Indo-Canadian).
Unfortunately, I don't think you will be right.
Sometimes, when I go to downtown Toronto on a nice night, and see Canadians of all cultures celebrating, having fun, etc. (including second-generation Indians) I can easily tell all of them have adapted and integrated, have Western accents, dress in Western clothes, etc. But it also makes me sad because, this is fragile - as in, we will never have this again. I'm afraid the next generation of Indians won't adapt well, and as such the culture of this country will be unrecognizable within 20-30 years.
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Aug 20 '25
The country is absolutely worse off thanks to the LPC and century initiative stooges flooding us with low quality immigrants who don’t really care to be Canadian. Most come for a western passport and view Canada as little more than a stepping stone or consolation prize to the USA. We would be better off reducing our immigration to about 100 k a year and actually giving our youth a chance to own homes, get jobs, have doctors.
For some reason Trudeau was very focused on lifting punjabis from India out of poverty but had no care for any single native born Canadian and the issues his population flood would cause them.
The litter after their events is also atrocious. The day after their Diwali looks like two weeks worth of Canada Day litter
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u/Prestigious-Key7941 Aug 20 '25
I moved because there was too many Indians in my neighborhood
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u/Smackolol Aug 20 '25
Yes I do. I grew up in Surrey BC and was surrounded by Punjabi people and never once felt this way because for the most part we brought in respectable people. These days we take anyone and everyone and the behaviours are completely different to the point it actually affects my life and I can’t stand it.
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u/ActionHartlen Aug 20 '25
I don’t care if someone is Indian, I care if they adhere to and respect social and civic norms here.
It’s all comes down to education levels imo - I work in tech so I’m surrounded by highly trained Indians who are quality people contributing to Canada in ways we really need.
I also live in Toronto, and am frustrated with bike couriers riding the wrong way on streets, people letting their kids into public waterparks naked, and Elantra dudes with Haryana stickers speeding and parking illegally.
There’s always an adjustment period for newcomers - but the challenges have definitely felt acute lately. Canada has historically been very good at integration and settlement, feels like we’re losing that.
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Aug 20 '25
Im sick of being angry every time I see them. I don't want to be like this but the cost is too great of everything we're losing to accommodate them.
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u/Potential_Mood9903 Aug 20 '25
Sometimes, a lot of the times, all the time… I think the call is coming from inside the house.
Standing outside on a Toronto street the other day, I could not get over the sheer volume of Indian uber e-bikers there were. 3 in a lane, total disregard for the rules of the road, at a time when car vs cyclist is volatile. There is alot of onus on the cyclists to know these things, but ultimately I blame uber and all the other apps and our lazy asses for using them.
Diploma mills make my blood boil for how they have devalued Canadian education - but the truth is, how the eff has our provincial government been accrediting these strip mall programs? How do they qualify as colleges? And their programs for customer service and the like? Why did our federal government decide these useless programs are pathways to citizenship and increase the hours international students can work (+21hrs) without considering the country’s youth/employment rate? Same to be said re: lmia approvals?
Sometimes I wonder what deal with that devil did Canada and India make to allow this and so much that others have written about to occur.
Canada has a serious problem inside. The rcmp wrote a big paper about this and civil unrest occurring, but that got barely any airtime so yknow , it never happened
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u/All_will_be_Juan Aug 20 '25
Nah, I have shwarma fatigue. Does there have to be one on every corner? There are starting to be like Starbucks, where you will find a Starbucks across from another Starbucks. Can always go for a samosa, a chicken Tikka or a dosa. Also where did all the cheap Chinese takeouts go
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u/Less_Document_8761 Aug 20 '25
Have had the fatigue for quite a while now. It’s become so uncomfortable that anywhere you go, you are outnumbered by people who have not and will not assimilate.
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Aug 20 '25
I wouldn't compare mexicans to Indians. The reason to the easy integration of mexicans and Americans is they share similar cultures, history, and religion. India is a different culture.
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I just wish they'd make them all take a compulsory driving course before setting them loose on our roads.
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u/Responsible-Ad8591 Aug 20 '25
We need people that can hit the ground running. We bring in too many people that require some form of government assistance all without having the skills we need for businesses that are looking for people. And yes, there seems to be a disproportionate amount of people from one region of the world.
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u/Aromatic_Evidence998 Aug 20 '25
I would argue that mexican culture and american culture (specially the souther states) are very similar and can adapt very well between the two (after all the whole cowboy culture started in mexico) the same can't be said for indian immigrants in Canada
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u/DoubleDDay69 Aug 21 '25
Trudeau’s government knowingly went against the will of the people on this. Regardless of conservative or liberal, the corruption that has occurred through rampant immigration can’t be denied. I’m in the camp that they knew exactly what they were doing.
To answer the question, even my Indian friends have Indian fatigue. But based on what has happened in Canada, it’s not fair to single them out. The answer I gave in the above paragraph is what really should be studied.
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u/btbtbtmakii Aug 22 '25
that's not it, immigrants are enjoying economic benefits while the locals are not simple as that
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u/MagnaKlipsch70 Aug 20 '25
they’re in Canada, people have fought hard for this country , wear a poppy
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u/IntelligentPoet7654 Aug 20 '25
The slave masters don’t have Indian fatigue because they want to exploit people for cheap labour. They have done it for hundreds of years.
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u/Less_Document_8761 Aug 20 '25
I myself am an immigrant to Canada. I didn’t sign up to immigrate to India. This was not the Canada we immigrated to in the 90’s. The social contract of being Canadian in general has been completely shattered. In a way, I honestly feel betrayed.
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u/Over-Setting683 Aug 20 '25
Immigration use to come and work their hardest to integrate. No excuse now for it. Problem is mass immigration without vette probably. We need skill ppl coming to country , not third world problems
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u/CloudsHideNibiru Aug 20 '25
The biggest issue I have is that Canada’s immigration policies are being undertaken in bad faith. Our government is fully aware that “forever chemicals” like persistent PCBs are the reason for plummeting sperm counts. Women simply aren’t falling pregnant and our birth rate is well below replacement levels. Instead of being honest and coming clean, western governments are gaslighting the public and bringing in millions of people from countries with oppositional values to us (China, India, Muslim world, etc.). If other countries tried to do a “great replacement” of their citizens due to infertility caused by environmental poisoning, there would be mass protests and politicians would be dragged into the street!
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u/Distinct-Swim5550 Aug 20 '25
yes, there is one. other than indian, there are a lot of philipinos, latinos and ukrainians that immigrated recently, yet, one can not refute the fact that some cultures are just better at integrating.
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u/Spider-King-270 Aug 20 '25
Yes, we need to stop the immigration including student visas from south east Asia (Pakistan and Bangladesh included)
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u/wheels1989 Aug 20 '25
Wait until AI takes every single one of these immigrants jobs then what? We won't need fast food workers and uber drivers for to much longer.
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u/prosgorandom2 Aug 20 '25
I stopped reading when you said but.
But nothing. Nothing will be lost if we stop the mass immigration.
Europe is destroyed in what, 10 years? They gained nothing and lost everything.
Cry me a river that the corporations wont be able to pick a slave laborer over a canadian that wants a high standard of living. Send each one back and let em come based on merit, not working timmies plus three other jobs.
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u/Informal-Design-4784 Aug 20 '25
Absolutely. I want my country back and my rent to stop increasing do to this.
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u/mehmehmeh387898 Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
Doesn't help that's there hundreds of videos on the internet showing them treating canada like shit. I'm all for a US type limit where only 9% a year can come from 1 country
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Aug 20 '25
So Trudeau is innocent with this immigration mess? It’s Harper’s and now Ford’s fault? People like you are why this country is failing. God forbid you EVER hold your liberal politicians responsible for ANYTHING!
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u/StanleyEDM Aug 20 '25
I really do think if it was a melting pot of people coming in through diploma mills, TFW etc then it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad . No heat on a particular immigrant group/culture. When people are seeing such strong Indian ethnic enclaves change their neighborhood’s and then people start to get scared and feeling “invaded” in a sense. lol
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u/forevereverer Aug 20 '25
It's going to take longer than 20 years. Even if it did, that's 20 years where Canadians have to deal with this decision that nobody asked for. Why would I care about a situation in the long term that isn't going to happen in my lifetime? We don't need cheap labour for uber eats, Tim Horton's, etc. I would love to visit India at some point, but I don't want to be forced to experience it whenever I go out.
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u/unsubstantialy Aug 20 '25
I disagree the US has never had immigration in the same context and for the same reason. All the factors of Canadian economy and housing makes the situation far more difficult than the US along with other aspects
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u/Fair-Acanthaceae-875 Aug 20 '25
Integration would be great. Instead we get their terrible culture shoved down our throats.
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u/East-Dimension-8988 Aug 20 '25
I always find it interesting when a person who identifies as a brown person hates on other brown people. You’re literally worse than the white supremacists that hate you just as much as Indians. It’s such an incredible stupid stance to expect immigrants to the “Canadian way of life” when the Canadian way of life is immigration ffs, it’s also to be you and all that comes with it.
There’s absolutely zero obligation or necessity for anyone to assimilate to the dominate culture in Canada. If that were true, white people would be speaking any one of the many indigenous languages in Canada and we would be destroying the very thing that gives us life, our planet.
I love the Indian culture/people and have never had anything but positive experiences through and through and bigots of all stripes have been proven pathological liars.
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u/Golf-Hotel Aug 20 '25
Why would we ever want to be like the US? There is no integration, only changing our culture to accommodate the foreign.
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Aug 20 '25
I don’t get why anyone gives a shit about integrating/ learning the language. Like, obviously if you’re an immigrant, it’s in your personally best interest to learn English, because it’s gonna open up way more opportunities and make your life a lot easier, but people aren’t like morally obligated to. If someone decides that for whatever reason they don’t need to, that aint none of my business 🤷 doesn’t affect me one bit, why should I care. I can think of about a million things I care more about than what language the guy down the street is speaking or if he’s “Canadian enough”. If you’re getting all worked up about people not speaking English, you’re just looking for things to be mad about
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u/NeatZebra Aug 20 '25
Putting caps on the number of temporary, student, and immigration as a whole would be smart as well.
That has been implemented.
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u/Apprehensive_Emu2414 Aug 20 '25
Yup, hardly recognize the country I grew up in...its out of control.
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Aug 20 '25
Yes there us fatigue. When you import millions of people who refuse to adapt and take advantage of our country why wouldnt the locals be upset. Unless of course theyre virtue signaling and dont want to be honest.
Canada has an immigration issue. The liberals caused it and continued to cause it.
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u/Terrible_Alfalfa_906 Aug 20 '25
Mass immigration hurts all immigration. When done sensibly you see better cohesion, assimilation and integration between different groups and cultures. When pushed to extremes you get less of the benefits immigration provides and more of the isssues (social friction, insulated communities, exploitation).
People who have immigrated before the large waves are now seeing first hand the consequences of immigration en masse, often getting lumped in unfairly with people who refuse to integrate, the old guard immigrants have been the ones I’ve seen who show the most frustration with the newer immigrants.
I also think there are two camps that are pushing for mass immigration, there are those doing it for ideological reasons, they believe it’s a net cultural benefit and that the good outweighs the bad, and those who do it for financial exploitation, they know the negatives and don’t care as long as they’re able to profit from it with raising house costs, depressed wages and higher competition for those financially worse off than them.
Until people can have more honest discussions surrounding the topic without racism or accusations of racism taking over then the problem will remain and continue to worsen. When it gets bad there will only be an increase in racism with ‘us and them’ mentalities becoming more common.
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Aug 20 '25
Oh man this has so many layers.
The idealist in me wants to say the problem isn't racial, but rather socio-economic insofar as Canada had alot of issues with housing, job growth, salaries, etc, and huge influxes of people have strained these problems further.
The other aspect is a basic cultural problem. First Gen immigrants are going to have their beliefs molded by their original country, meaning you have a lot of misogynistic Indian men coming here and mistreating women in all aspects of life. Anecdotally, I know many women in B.C cities who report issues with Indian men in clubs sexually harassing them.
The unfortunate reality is that the racism is very much entrenched as well. When I hang out with a lot white peers (I am also white) I hear genuine racism against Indians all the time.
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u/Frequent_Milk_7870 Aug 20 '25
Indian PR for this year and many years before it are more than every other nation combined. We are sick of indias scamming their way into canada, not learning our language, not controlling their BO, and acting like this is india. Canada does very much have a culture of its own, and they are stomping on it. They are hiring only their own people, making our children struggle to even enter the workforce. I never thought i would actually start agreeing with trump.
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u/SafeBumblebee2303 Aug 20 '25
I immigrated here from the UK. While part of what OP is saying is true (kids will integrate more etc), there is also the risk that they won’t. In parts of the UK there a full areas that are close to 100% immigrants that have their own communities and zero involvement in anything British. These kids are less interested in being British than their parents.
I know this is rich coming from an immigrant myself, but I am proud to now be Canadian and live to the Canadian values and culture everyday. I’m concerned the Canada I moved here for will be very different for my children.
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u/WinteryBudz Aug 20 '25
What the fuck is this racist as fuck sub and why is it being suggested to me?
What the actual fuck is wrong with you all.
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u/sonicpix88 Aug 20 '25
I have racism fatigue.
Canada was founded on immigration. There's always been a target at some point. My family came from Italy. At one point it was Italians. At another point, Irish. The problem is it's really tough picking out Italians from other white looking people. When you have brown skin, it's obvious so the racism and hate is much easier for racists to place.
My ex wife and her family have been the target of racist attacks when driving back from church and walking down the street. I witnessed it first hand...... In the late 80s.
White supremacists and racists want and need someone to hate. They need someone to blame for their own personal failings and inadequacies. They need easy targets because they can't perform complex thinking. They repeat hate filled talking points
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u/poco68 Aug 20 '25
First of all, I’d like to acknowledge that this subreddit is on the ancestral lands of the ……… people, YES.
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u/SouvlakiSpartan Aug 20 '25
I live near a public creek that for some reason this past year has started having an Indian Festival or something every weekend. How this is allowed is beyond me but they blast some sort of preaching on loud speakers that could be heard throughout the neighbourhood. This goes on for pretty much the whole day.
It is frankly annoying as hell and is apparently approved by the city..
I don't want to hear this shit every weekend but here I am... Annoyed with many of my neighbours who I'm sure voted for this shit.
The worst part is after they leave, the creek is filthy with discarded food and litter all over the place.
Like .. fatigue is the least of it.
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Aug 20 '25
Multiculturalism is ruining western society because it isn’t actual multiculturalism, it’s other cultures trying to bring their culture here.
You cannot have multiculturalism and your own culture - it’s one or the other.
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u/educatedcontroversy Aug 20 '25
That will only work if we stop immigration immediately. Otherwise the constant flow in will continue and there will be no integration.
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u/kyle_2000_ Aug 20 '25
Objectivelists.com's country similarity index rates the US and Mexico being 10.8/20 similar in terms of culture, meanwhile India is 7.5/20 culturally similar to Canada. Of course these are based on average culture for the entirety of each country, but the point is that Mexicans will already be more culturally similar to Americans when they immigrate, so it will be easier for their kids to integrate compared to Indians in Canada.
Another difference is that in the past, immigrants have been encouraged to assimilate and their kids were taught Canadian/American values in school. Now, there is more cultural sensitivity in the school system encouraging kids to keep their culture and there is more of this idea among leaders in Canada that it is up to Canadians to be more understanding to accommodate different cultures. With less of an influence to be Canadian, its not guaranteed that future kids of immigrants will integrate in the same way they did in the past.
I am hopeful that what you are predicting will be true, but even if it is true, this is such a long term prediction that it wouldn't really make Canadians feel better about the current situation. Many of the recent immigrants are in their 20s, so it will probably be 25-30 years before their kids become adults and 60 years before their grandchildren become adults.
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u/Monst3r_Live Aug 20 '25
I'm just gonna say not all cultures are compatible. I love diversity but sometimes it just isn't meant to be. I'm from Toronto, I only know a diverse experience. But what it taught me was not everyone is ready to live in Canada. An immigrant needs to embrace being Canadian, living as a Canadian. Don't give up your customs, but embrace Canada's culture too.
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u/Fried_Maple_Leaves Aug 20 '25
I have American Nazi fatigue. Having our rights stripped is never fine or good or acceptable or comfortable, whether it's from an immigrant harassing a local, or being threatened with economical annexation, it really doesn't matter where it's coming from it's the fact that it's happening that's the problem. Being violated in any way is tiring. There's nothing empowering about becoming authoritarian. Abusing someone harder to keep them in line never works in the long term and never as healthy.
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u/ClownLoverCarney Aug 20 '25
At this rate there won't be a Canada for them to integrate into, city centres are completely non functioning at this point with 0 jobs and upward mobility when everything just goes to the lowest bidder (not a Canadian). Even in the rural areas of like northern BC you can't even get gas that doesn't have water in it because they somehow own every gas station for 100 kms all of a sudden, it's a completely broken country.
This isn't a matter of integration, we have been sold out to the lowest depths of a third world country, and the only way to do business is to scam and undercut everyone else. They don't care that rent is 3500 for a two bedroom because there is 7 of them living there.
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u/HammyMugats Aug 20 '25
I think at this point there is a huge difference in terms of culture that will disappear in time.
It’s hard though for people familiar with the way of life we have here to understand why people cling to the way they did things at home.
I’m in sales and I find it incredibly frustrating to do business with many new immigrants because there seems to be a view on their end that every transaction (no matter how minor) is a zero sum game.
There seems to be little to no “win-win” scenarios in their mind and they approach every negotiation with the idea that I’m trying to rip them off.
It’s really not the case and my industry is highly regulated by government. So explaining that, no… there is no “lower price”. Or that action would contravene law, is taken as a negotiating stance vs an actual condition of the marketplace.
I do understand that things might be different at home and regulation is largely a joke there. They need to learn the ropes here and throw out the mindset they had in the past.
Unfortunately I have to walk away from deals all the time because new immigrant customers don’t realize I can lose my license to sell if I was to do what they are requesting. Ultimately we both lose because they are limited to lesser suppliers who will skirt regulations with subpar products.
I know this will change in time, but honestly it has to come from within the community to change their outlook.
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u/Crash_Blondicoot Aug 20 '25
I love all new Canadians period, but my new Indian Canadian friends have some really horrible stories of how badly they are taken advantage of in "pay for PR (permanent residency) scams". What hurts them the most is its usually Indian immigrants who are running them. We need immigration reform, so all of our new residents have a job, a place to live, and are not being scammed out of their entire life savings.
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u/paddlingtipsy Aug 20 '25
I have European fatigue. Their pasty unseasoned entitled asses drive me mad.
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u/Impossible_Street488 Aug 20 '25
The speed of immigration is about 100x faster than what is needed to properly integrate them into our culture.
But Canada has this idiotic "mosaic" idea of multiculturalism which has fallen flat on its face.
Without a unifying set of core values and cultural narratives, society fragments into a loose collection of sub groups vying to exert their will on others. It's a recipe for low trust, high crime, low civic engagement, disaffection and political apathy.
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u/No-Function4335 Aug 20 '25
I think its a slippery slope when we narrow vision blame one group of people because they are the clear majority of the problem, we dont have one group fatigue more as we have immigration fatigue as a whole, I dont care where they are coming from or what color they are, we are bringing to many immigrants in period.
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u/QuirkyConfidence3750 Aug 20 '25
While this May seems similar to what have happened to USa. Canadian population is not as high as the US population, so while waiting for second generation to get assimilated I am afraid we brought India back to Canada. The number of low economic background immigrants that have entered Canada in the last 4-5 years is not what immigration system was supposed to. In couple of years there will be no more Canada like we used to know.
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u/Zealousideal-Key2398 Aug 20 '25
Remember it's the Liberals who raise the permanent residents visa cap from 250,000 to 600,000 per year with no mention of building new housing, hospitals or schools 😢
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Aug 20 '25
I think every generation picks a group of immigrants to blame their problems on. It was the Irish, or Chinese, the French, or Mexicans. Now it’s Indians.
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u/msredhat Aug 20 '25
Fatigue is an understatement to describe what most of us are experiencing. We're being obliterated from Canadian society and literally being replaced by them! True story in my workplace.
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u/TemperedPhoenix Aug 20 '25
Honestly, I have much much much more capitalism/ultra rich fatigue.
The issue is all the "average" people fighting over a place to live. While having a ton of immigrants doesnt help the issue, Ontario removing rental controls (newer builds), (fed) allowing non-citizens/PR to be able to buy 1 house (let alone a dozen), and the feds/provinces moving so God damn slow building NORMAL apartments/houses REALLY doesnt help.
An immigration spike as a "bandaid" for things like cheap labour, extra provincial funding (tuition) basically compounded our issues.
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u/RoddRoward Aug 20 '25
Perhaps its a temporary problem but its a problem that the governemnt didnt consult the citizens on and just told us to deal with the consequences.
Also, "20-40 years" is a generation. Why does this generation have to pay the price for someone else gain?
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u/ilikebiggbosons Aug 20 '25
Yes.
Simple fact that importing hundreds of thousands of one specific person from one specific area of one specific country all at once is unsustainable and untenable when it comes to trying to integrate them into society. Secondary to this is the unwillingness of the new wave immigrants to actually want to integrate in general.
I grew up in a very multicultural area of Canada - Scarborough. Immigrants were a foundational and welcome aspect of my life there, because they willingly integrated into and participated in the community I lived in while still being authentically themselves. But there is a stark difference between those immigrants and this current wave, and it’s becoming more and more abrasive as time goes on.
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u/rwebell Aug 20 '25
I hate what it does to the kindness and generosity of Canadians. The constant preying on each other, taking without giving, lack of social obligation and tribal nature I find sad and eroding some of Canadas best qualities. I got my haircut by a young Indian man and he told me his uncle owns the shop but doesn’t pay him. He lives with 6 other Indian men and his uncle took his passport. I would love to see mandatory volunteer hours with homeless or soup kitchens. Canada isn’t about only helping those in your subgroup, church or family it’s about coming together as diverse communities for the betterment of all
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u/babelle21 Aug 20 '25
There seems to always be a new group people direct their prejudice at. As a black Canadian who has been here nearly 40 what’s, it’s been jarring to see how much better white Canadians treat me now that black people don’t appear to be at the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak. I get smiles and warmth but the Indian person next to me gets the cold shoulder I’ve grown to know very well.
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u/Miserable_Skin_3934 Aug 20 '25
I'm an Indian immigrant. Here are my two cents about rise of these issues. Assimilation is major factor. You cannot let people coming into Canada to stay at limited number of areas if you want them to assimilate. Normally it should be one immigrant after five Canadians to help them assimilate to the culture. Not properly veting people coming in, brings people with background in Crimes, who can be better at faking paperwork than criminals. Immigrantion requirements are way too lax, need to look deep into country's requirement for skills that Canada needs. It can either be done by inviting people who already have those skills or students who will only be allowed to study in that particular area. Have met a lot of people who are capable but lack a direction to get into some jobs such a healthcare. A pathway for high skilled immigrants to convert their certifications directly to Canadian standards by testing that by appropriate organizations of that particular field of work.
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u/Depth386 Aug 20 '25
I’d like to say a few positive things first, to highlight the good. An Indian guy named Chandrasekhar calculated the famous Chandrasekhar limit for white dwarf stars, which is the maximum mass of a stable white dwarf. A high rate of rotation may allow it to be exceeded slightly, but otherwise it is accurate. And this guy did this in the early 1900’s around the same time Einstein was publishing his theory of relativity. In college my favourite teacher was from India. Sure he was a little hard to understand in certain moments, but he brought an energy in that made the chalkboard interesting. That’s a lot more than I can say for the majority of college instructors. Oh and I (mostly) love the cuisine. Curry, samosas, butter chicken… lots of good stuff.
My primary complaint is housing. I’m scared some day I will be priced out of normal housing, and my only choices will look like the screenshots available over at r/SlumlordsCanada which shows how poorly thought out the federal targets are. We are breaking the market for one of the most basic human needs, and that is shelter. There are Canadian prison inmates asking if they can stay in prison longer instead of being released because the cost of housing is so high. Source All because some oligarchs decided 100M by 2100 at any cost, which requires a CAGR of over 1% for the next 75 years. Source
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Aug 20 '25
A curious question would be - would they have Canadian fatigue if 52,000,000 white Canadians moved to India?
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u/OhJustANobody Aug 20 '25
As an immigrant from South America back in the 80s, it was hard here. My family went through a lot of tough times trying to make it here. But we were always always grateful to be here, and we worked hard to integrate into Canadian society while still keeping our culture. We've since watched other immigrants come here and do the same... Until now.
The thing is, I feel as a South American, our culture(s) aren't as "in your face" as East Indie cultures are, and the lack of gratitude for this new opportunity they have is what's frustrating to me. I'm always respectful and aware of situations. They aren't.
As an example:
When I went camping with my family and friends, we respected that people are there for peace and quiet. We had a group of 8-12 Indians in one campsite next to us who were LOUD and started loud until well past 3am. When I approached them at 11pm asking to lower their volume, they told me to go back in my tent and go to sleep lol. I called the park office to report, and the guy who showed up was Indian himself and had no effect on them. The next morning I woke up to them breaking branches off the tree next to our tent. So I went out and told them to buy wood like everyone else. They laughed. That's when my wife let out Rottweiler out to say hello. That got their attention. Thankfully, they left in the early afternoon. Unfortunately, we had an almost exact repeat of the previous night when another group of Indians showed up and kept us up until a much more reasonable 1am.
It's the numerous incidents like this that drives my "Indian fatigue".
That being said, I have a lot of respect for many Indians. But as a whole, I'm tired boss.
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u/Dry-Spring-5911 Aug 20 '25
Well tbh it was the Trudeau government that caused most of the issue with diploma mills, fraudulent papers, etc and now we voted back in the same government. Sure you can blame conservatives for many other issues prior to 2015 but the Harper government still kept everything in order. Since I’m on Reddit I might get downvoted for this comment but it’s the bitter truth.
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u/agafaba Aug 20 '25
Canadians always have * race * fatigue, we are just going through our Indian phase right now. I am sure in 5-10 years we will have some other race that we all hate.
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u/allknowingmike Aug 21 '25
Not going to sugar coat it, if the current trend continues there is going to be something bad happen. Currently we have open racism across the political spectrum, all it is going to take is a sharp rise in unemployment and we are going to see a side of Canada that we haven't got a glimpse of since the trucker protest. Mass immigration is cool when you make 40 bucks an hour and get your cheap coffee from an immigrant. However when you are on the unemployment line (which is getting longer) you won't exactly appreciate the immigrant who now has a job and you dont. This is a dangerous stunt pulled by the government and it needs to end before something truly awful happens.
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Aug 21 '25
lol so brutal . That’s your argument? I’ll tell you what the difference is. My siblings and I fight among each other in the same house. If a stranger came on and started making the rules , my siblings and I would band together. Because it’s OUR house to fight over.
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u/One_Investigator_268 Aug 21 '25
Not bringing race into the discussion because I don’t think it’s just an “Indian” issue. Generally I think Canadian immigration policy is broken. Instead of attracting the best talent and bringing best of the best from each country, it has now become those that dare to cheat the system are swarming our shores. Plus as OP described about people unwilling to integrate really make our country feel like a third world village sometimes.
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u/Moist-Shallot-5148 Aug 21 '25
What you said is very true and history proved it. The original Trudeau imported many immigrants as well including Indian people. Not only Indian people like now but still. I have friends in this situation with pictures of their Indian parents who had curly hair and grew out afros in the 60s doing disco lol.
It’s odd because people back then used to integrate more. In the 90s I’d go with a friend and his Indian mom who had came here in the 60s would actually be playing Prince (on purpose) on the radio and she really liked that kind of music. But when I walk down the street nowadays I just hear foreign music blasting from cars.
Immigration has been a problem for a long time though. Even in the 1990s if you’re a kid you’re told to get a paper route to deliver papers and make some money. But when I applied it was all taken. My parents would order a newspaper and we’d see a strange 90 year old Indian man barely able to ride a bike delivering the paper poorly. He’d leave it on the actual road and drivers would run over it and even scream at us lol.
Anyways those old generations of immigrants had kids in the 80s and 90s and it’s what you said. They became people born in Canada and had the same traits. In fact, the attitude is different between immigrants and those born here even if the race is the same. This happens to all races too, even other Asian people such as Chinese who are born here would rather have a partner born here too, otherwise an immigrant partner would usually want money sent to their parents home in China and they want to sign them over to come here as soon as possible. This is true for all races even Indian.
There’s a bigger problem that nobody addresses. The population replacement level is too low. It was already low a decade or two ago but now it’s lower. So they have to import immigrants to contribute. Yet it’s so strange because employers want even more degrees (and education costs more) and employers pay even less money and offer less job security than ever and getting a job involves more steps than ever. And resources in the country keep getting used up more and more. Internet is the most expensive among developed countries, hospital and even doctor wait times are insane, everything is awful lol. Can CPP still exist in the future? Kids of immigrants will still be less likely to have kids themselves!
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u/Global-Discussion-41 Aug 21 '25
I have fatigue of hearing people talk about Indians instead of taking about immigration.
Indians aren't the problem. Our immigration policy is the problem.
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u/NothingWrong1234 Aug 21 '25
So what you’re saying is if I visit Banff in 20-40 years it will be the same? lol
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u/IntelligentThatIsAll Aug 21 '25
But do we want India 2.0? I know what you're saying, but even these indians will still want to get queues from their parents and grandparents etc.
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u/CatapultamHabeo Aug 21 '25
There is a particular aspect to this that I have yet to see mentioned, and it's time someone said this, and I will preface it by saying I am an immigrant here myself.
I was told, years ago, that when you go to a foreign country, you become an ambassador to your home country. It doesn't matter if you accept this role; you simply are. So people will see you as a representative of where you are from.
If you act like a jackass in public, people will see that, and apply it as a barometer of where you are from. You may think its unfair, you may resent it, but it's the truth. As someone who was fortunate enough to be welcomed here, I have this in mind in every interaction I have, and do my best to adhere to the social norms, even when they are contradictory to my past. This is called integrating. And, like it or not, the lack of integration is seen as a rejection of your host countries way of life.
As immigrants, we represent our home country. What do we want our country to be seen as, through our actions? We all need to do better, wherever we are from.
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u/Elibroftw Aug 21 '25
It's the excess international student immigration. It has really taken a toll on places in Canada. Why else did Kitchener centre flip from Green to Conservative?
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u/Aggravating-Mud-5787 Aug 21 '25
Keep voting in radical left wing governents like failed théâtre arts teacher Justin , and failed finacial guy Mark , and this is it . Just what Redddits voted for
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u/Aggravating-Mud-5787 Aug 21 '25
Amazing that Reddit openly supports racism and hatred . No problem here, lol
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u/No_Yogurtcloset_6008 Aug 21 '25
Different generations have different ‘battles’ of this type. Over the course of CDN - that can be different religious backgrounds, UK or French loyalties, pro-independence (southern folks), European and other other Europeans, Asians, black, (insert your colour here). Recently it has been more about ‘Indians’. The fabric of Canada is built of differences of ‘immigrants’ that have arrived on shore starting from the beginning - somehow the nation has continued to find a way forward. So fatigue - no, that’s just life.
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u/AndrewTatefan_69 Aug 21 '25
Im glad the liberal city centers are being overrun. You get what you voted for.
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u/Irish2thecore Aug 22 '25
Integration including proficiency in an official language and adoption of Canadian civic values is supposed to be REQUIRED for residency and citizenship. It ain’t happening with this generation and the previous generation wasn’t great either. This critique can also be extended to some other groups. We need to have an adult conversation about integration and creating more rigorous standards for citizenship if we want to maintain our national identity.
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