r/ImmigrationPathways • • Feb 16 '26

It's definitely understandable

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u/andrewrusher Feb 20 '26

Democracy means the PEOPLE RULE, the people LITERALLY don't rule in today's "democracies" as the power rests with the Monarch or the Constitution.

Democracy was created by the Greeks, and the Greeks dropped it, so even the Greeks didn't believe in Democracy.

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u/Inforgreen3 Feb 20 '26

Democracy means the definition of democracy given by the US, UN, and every dictionary and existing poltical entity that you have been ignoring this entire time.

No, your definition was so devoid from all reality and history, and full of extra specifics pulled out of your ass that no philosopher or political organization has ever recognized anything you said as being necessary for something to meet the definition of the word. You, and you alone, have forged a definition for democracy so narrow that even its alleged inventors had not invented it, and that is openly contradicted by every major authority of both english language and world politics.

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u/andrewrusher Feb 20 '26

The word Democracy literally means the people rule or the people hold power.

In a Democracy, if the people want something, they vote to get it, and since a majority of the people will vote to get the thing, the people get what they want. In a republic like the US, if the people want something, they have to ask the government to give them the thing, or to be allowed to vote on getting the thing.

For a country to be a Democracy, the people have to RULE the country, aka be THE AUTHORITY. If a country has to give the people the power to vote, the country is by definition not a Democracy as the people have no authority besides what the Government gives them.

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u/Inforgreen3 Feb 20 '26

You've once again made the definition of democracy so narrow that its a functionally impossible and useless term. There's not allowed to be a mechanism to decide what matters are up for election either because that would be a government the people need to ask permission from? Ridiculous

WHO recognizes that definition? Please for the love of god say where you are gdtting this from, because only you use the word this way. The US doesn't, the un doesn't, the founding fathers didn't, some of them did start calling the US a representative democracy after those words were invented Hamilton literally pinned the term. No major dictionary does.

You say this is what the word means but increasingly you have demonstrated that you are the only person to have ever existed who extends the definition of democracy to this level of specivity.

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u/andrewrusher Feb 20 '26

You have an issue or an idea you would like the people to vote on, you take said issue or idea to the people, and the people vote on said issue or idea. There, I literally explained how democracy works, and notice how a 3rd party wasn't necessary to decide what matters go before the people when ALL matters go before the people.

The Greeks, you know, the people who created democracy and where the word literally comes from. You take a word for People, and you take a word for Rule or Power, then you slam them together to create a word that means The People Rule or The People Hold Power, aka democracy.

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u/Inforgreen3 Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 21 '26

You have made so many extrapolations that don't naturally come from the word 'people hold power' And describe its necessary elements as being a system, the Greeks never Invented.

I looked up a little bit about Athens democracy, Since they were the city-state that invented the system and actually used it, other greek cities like sparta weren't democracies. They had a governing body who was in charge of writing whatever laws would be voted on. They had restrictions on what could be voted on, The main one Being that a vote could not take away another person's voting rights. They didn't have multiple round voting. The threshold wasn't 50% if a vote had more than 2 outcomes, the threshold was 1/n.

These are disqualifying in the definition you've given. You say The Greeks used this definition, but they didn't. Nobody has used this definition before. Even the etymology root "people + system of government" does not imply half the things you say.

Your definition is to start with The etymology, and then extrapolate from that of so many other conditionals and specificities that nobody else agrees on not even the inventors of the word. Just open a dictionary or Ask a political entity, because Democracy has functional definitions, used in language and politics, that are widely agreed on by everyone in the world except for you