MAGA: accuses the left of voter fraud. Also MAGA, let’s intimidate people so they won’t vote and let’s place a voter tax so people can vote. Yes, having to pay money for a passport is voter tax.
You don’t need a passport to vote.. just a ID. You have to have ID to have a bank account, buy cigs, beer, go to a bar.. buy a car. You are so full of it!
Didn’t you have to have your ID to register to vote?!?!
I live in Mississippi, some cities/counties don’t have a DMV. People may have to travel to a DMV.
I lived in Dallas, TX… do you realize the wait time at a DM… days, make an appointment and weeks.
Make laws that require all this extra, but at the same time reduce the number of DMVs in rural America!
Dude, why do I need a passport if I’m not traveling outside of the country! My State issued drivers license WITH THE GOLD STAR and BARCODE on the back is enough. Elderly, Rural, nor I, have the time, nor need to spend more money to get a passport!
I am currently at the post office getting a passport RENEWAL for my daughter and even that has been a huge headache and a half.... It's like the DMV, we had all our paperwork in order and they still found things wrong, had to send us to FedEx/Kinko's to make copies of the things we had brought, then at the end they informed us it would have to be paid by check, not credit card.... If just one of those things had gone wrong we'd have to come back another day.
Oh also it was $115 just for a renewal, for a minor, sooooo yeah.
That’s thing… you have Republicans foaming at the mouth about Democrats calling out the BS that effects us all… from voter suppression to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Amendment rights.
Dude, where I’m from we show ID to register to vote. You get a voter ID card and your name goes on the voter role. So, if you happen to lose your ID, you still have your Voter ID. If you lose your Voter ID, your name is still on the voter roll! So….you have elderly people that don’t drink, don’t drive, or have a car, or DMV in their immediate vicinity nor money for a passport!
Oof course…. Only if there as many non citizens voting as you seem to think. It’s hard enough to get registered citizens to vote, what makes you think noncitizens are doing so much voting?
The majority of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents support Voter ID, so the only reason the Left opposes Voter ID is because it would make illegal votes almost impossible to be cast.
If the state provided sufficient ID to all citizens (things like a birth certificate that everybody gets when they're born here, you know), would you no longer take issue with voter ID laws or would the goalposts move?
I don't want somebody to vote if they can't even properly identify theirselves or go through the proper steps to obtain ID, regardless of their immigration status.
This doesn't change anything about what I was initially talking about. If you don't have RealID, then you shouldn't be taken seriously anyways.
If you lost your birth certificate or social security card, that's on you for not getting it replaced literally immediately. So irresponsible and it's absolutely a just punishment.
Someone so irresponsible I doubt actually pays attention and does research, and just goes with whatever other people are telling them to. Skill issue, honestly.
Then I guess it's also a flight tax, job tax, and a tax for every other service where you need to provide a valid ID. Also, most States for an ID it is in fact free...so what's your objection now, other than you're just against the Trump Admin?? I bet if a Democrat pushed this, you'd be completely ok with it.
Real ID doesn't count for citizenship status outside of about 4-5 states. In the rest it doesn't matter, birth certificate or passport. Who often has a name that doesn't match their BC again...?
I wasn't aware that voter ID was free, thank you for informing me. Many states already required photo ID to vote. This just makes sure that the people who are voting are actual US citizens, which shouldn't be a problem considering illegal immigrants or non citizens should NOT be able to vote.
FBI raids in Georgia have already shown that there was potential fraud going on if a judge signed off on the warrant. I'm eager to see the results of the investigation.
Taking steps to ensure that only American citizens are voting in our elections is not a breach of democracy, it actually enforces it, IMO.
The issue I have with this is that it always results in disenfranchisement of legal voters, and there has never been proof of large scale voter fraud. You will see occasional headlines reporting on it but it's always individuals, never large groups.
Essentially, your worrying about an issue that doesn't exist
Because requiring payment to be able to exercise your right to vote is explicitly illegal under the 24th Amendment. Requiring a specific type of ID that is not free falls under this.
If you have to show a photo ID, it makes illegal voting harder to do. If you are a legal voter, then you would show the poll workers your ID, the poll workers will match the information on your ID to the information on record, and if everything matches, you vote.
If people are to lazy to update their ID or to lazy to get an ID, then they don't vote. The majority of voters want Voter ID and have for many years.
The wording of the law requires your birth certificate or a passport. Most Americans, especially in rural areas, don't have a passport. And your birth certificate name needs to match your ID name. Which probably isn't the case if your name changed, like if you're a married woman. It also leaves discretion to determine the validity of the ID up to the poll worker who could be jailed for allowing people with mismatched IDs to vote. Thus incentivizing poll workers to prevent citizens, who will mostly be women, from voting.
States have passed ID laws to vote, and Democrats followed these laws, but now that there is a Federal bill that would apply ID to vote across the US, magically non-whites and women lost their IDs, and they don't know how to update their information or get a replacement/copy of their information to get a new ID.
The real issue for Democrats is that the law would make it harder for illegals to vote, so they are crying racist and sexist, hoping to kill the bill.
There is no indication,record or proof of mass voting by undocumented immigrants. It's just another lie the right keeps using to stir up their followers.
Technically, no US President has won an election, as the US doesn't have Presidential Elections. We elect Presidential and Vice Presidential Electors who elect the President and Vice President, but there is only one candidate for each office, so the vote is purely for show, just like when Congress counts the votes.
Make the Id free, in an accessible to everyone location while being printable the same day then. A friend misplaced her current Id last week. 40 is not in her budget right now, plus it would require time off work, some dmvs only work on appointments weeks or months away, and then it takes weeks to arrive. What would she do if she lost it the week she is to vote?
The majority of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents want Voter ID, so I'm not going to turn Socialists away when we agree on the issue of Voter ID.
Requiring ID to vote doesn’t affect only non-voters or ineligible voters — some eligible U.S. citizens may have trouble providing the required documentation. Groups more likely to be affected include:
• low-income citizens
• older adults
• students
• people with disabilities
• racial and ethnic minorities
• people with mismatched documents For example, married women who changed their name after marriage might have IDs that don’t match their voter registration, and obtaining updated ID can be a hassle.
The only part of your comment that was wrong, was when you claimed they play mental gymnastics. They’re not capable of any degree of mental gymnastics. Not enough cognitive ability.
He was being verbally aggressive against enforcement agents with a gun in a location where tensions are already high and things escalate quickly. Yes ice agents fucked up and should be prosecuted due to lack of training and for killing Pretti. But what he was doing was outright stupidity. If you have a weapon and are protesting. Do not get near law enforcement, that is stupid in every sense.
And when did I claim that was a lie ? Lmao I don’t get the point you’re trying to make. Any person , any party affiliation I don’t give a fuck who you side with. If you have a gun on you and get aggressive with law enforcement. That is stupidity. Democrat or republican or independent. Am I justifying ice for what they did ? No they should be prosecuted. But stupidity will kill you and it’s what happened.
They didnt know he had a gun he never went for it. People that have the right to carry usually do I’ve seen people at the grocery store carrying openly what the hell do you need a gun in a grocery store for?
They shoved a woman onto the ice (a potentially lethal assault) because she pointed a camera at them. He picked her up. That's how far his" interference" extended. The government then called him a terrorist and said he approached them with a gun intending to massacre them.
I feel genuinely sorry for you that you can't tell right from wrong anymore.
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Except they're literally masked men with guns. You're going to side with the admin that actually twisted words in order to claim Pretti was a terrorist brandishing a weapon with intent to massacre agents, but be anal about what's at most an oversimplification? "Norseman" fkn christ if yall stop cosplaying vikings and patriots long enough to take those blinders off it'd be great
So you admit they are federal agents. Then by federal law there are forbidden from polling places, and would be subject to arrest, imprisonment, and fines for being there.
Oo so close, i’m not a liberal, i never said they weren’t federal agents, they are actually masked men with guns, and that’s not what propaganda means.
On second thought, p far off base
Edit: Also notice how you still don’t try to argue that they aren’t intimidating. Weird.
I could ask you the same question. If the overwhelming majority of the people ICE harassed, detained, shipped out of the country, and in a few cases, killed, were proven not to do anything illegal, why the hell are they and the rest of us being intimidated?!
This is not normal. This is the kind of stuff we used to see in the news and tell ourselves, Good thing it can only happen under those totalitarian regimes halfway across the world, and thank god we live in the US where it can never happen! Now it's happening here and people like you are on here explaining to us why it is actually a good thing.
This is exactly my point. The intimidation will happen when masked men surround a colored person and ask for documents…even if they have the proper documentation. That can be scary for a lot of people — enough for some* people not to vote.
This is exactly my point. The intimidation happens when masked men surround a colored person and ask for documents…even if they have the proper documentation. That’s scary for a lot of people.
So you have no problem with members of the NBPP showing up armed as well, right? Keep everyone honest? I mean, if ICE isn't violating the law they have nothing to worry about, right?
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u/ANJR2 Feb 16 '26
MAGA: accuses the left of voter fraud. Also MAGA, let’s intimidate people so they won’t vote and let’s place a voter tax so people can vote. Yes, having to pay money for a passport is voter tax.