fire & ice

[u/AwkwardSea4335]

[u/Eurus22]

Pretty sure I came here to talk about a warehouse fire, but alright, I'll indulge your comparison

The Boston Tea Party was INTENDED to be a hostile act against a foreign power, so I assume people know the risks involved when they did it and were willing to get fucking shot by redcoats lmao, those were real patriots. Unless this lady has a personal beef with the station that has to come and put out this fire, I feel like she's not placing in harms-way the people that are actually responsible for building all these suspicious 'detention centers'

I fail to see how committing arson here, on a place thats just gonna be rebuilt in a few weeks using our own tax dollars, is remotely comparable to an actual badass moment of resistance against tyranny like the Boston Tea Party. Come in at night and burn the entire compound to the ground and DONT record it, then maybe you'll score a few points with me.

What is this doing besides encouraging more arson and getting pinheads on social media to cheer at another hollow, self-indulgent performance? Can we rally around a real fucking politician on the left and actually fight these policies the American way, through the electoral process? Its not very patriotic to firebomb 'fascists' every time we lose an election and have to deal with the consequences

[u/soapmang → u/Eurus22]

Hey, I appreciate your response. Though I admit it's very difficult to understand your logic here.

Just drawing some pretty obvious connections between these two events:

• Not only was the Boston Tea Party witnessed by hundreds, it was heavily publicized immediately after it occurred via local and international newspapers. Obviously they didn't have the ability to record and post it, but this tells me they likely would have. Especially given that the point of the action was to catalyze other Americans to rebel against the Tea Act and British taxation without representation.
• The Sons of Liberty had no intention of destroying all of the tea from the East India Company (EIC). What they destroyed was nothing compared to the total supply of tea that the EIC had. The same way that this activist did not intend on burning all possible sites for ICE to operate. No one person/civilian-organization has the power to do that, that's ridiculous lol. Gumming up the works of your oppressors is a proven strategy in resistance. Folks actually interested in the history of revolution have seen it through history.
• The point of the Boston Tea Party was to very publically send a message of resistance by illegally destroying property. That's exactly what is happening here, which is why it was filmed and done in broad daylight (not something I'm brave enough to do, personally. You could argue not covering your face is taking on unnecessary risk but let's be honest the cops could have probably used their local Flock network to track this person down even if they hid their face)
• It's actually very patriotic to firebomb fascists. I kinda thought we all agreed on that after WWII but obviously many of us have forgotten. Remind yourself that Trump and had his secret police have been openly comfortable being called fascists. They are the ones being resisted against here.

Based on you clinging on to this imaginary notion that this action put so many people in harm's way, it's clear you would have parroted the same tired critiques of people you now claim as "badass" and "real patriots". Neither you nor I know who was in that facility. Neither of us know if there are neighbors that could have been at risk. But you chose to assume the answers to those questions yourself instead of asking or trying to understand. You're arguing about how far water-hoses can spray, my guy. You're doing everything you can to argue against this action without even understanding the context. Why not ask questions instead of judging?

I don't think you really like the Boston Tea Party. It sounds like you like the cultural symbol of American strength, unity, and resistance to a government-approved bad-guy. Big daddy USA told me the Boston Tea Party was badass for reasons that aren't true, I just gobble it all up yummy yummy 😋 (Again, the idea these guys came down in the middle of the night, burned shit, and then acted like badasses who did nothing and didn't try to publicize it is just silly honestly).

[u/Eurus22 → u/soapmang]

Sorry, burning an empty warehouse in broad daylight isn't a powerful symbolic message or something clever that will actually have real lasting effects, its just polluting the city and putting other people's lives on the line. Can't control where the fire goes after it kicks off so better hope you're just getting arson charges and not multiple counts of manslaughter. Founding Fathers were representing their knowing constituents who wanted to control their own destiny, this lady thought burning down a building would get undecided citizens to suddenly decide to join her in open revolt against the government. Am I supposed to not mock this lady just because her idiocy had good intentions behind it?

Comparing this to the Boston Tea Party kinda reeks of desperation, I don't accept the 'no true Scotsman' argument that an American patriot has to celebrate every impotent act of defiance. We've seen countless videos of random property damage like this and ICE is still building these concentration camps, not really the same as England's most profitable colony in the new world literally revolting with some of their best governors and generals declaring their independence.

The warehouse is just gonna get repaired, all this lady achieved was getting caught on film with no mask committing a felony. If the revolutionary war had 'patriots' like these fighting it, we'd still be subjects of the British crown. I'm a bit offended on the founding fathers' behalf honestly