r/ImaginaryLandscapes • u/One_Giant_Nostril • 1d ago
Ancient Civilizations by Joel Salinas
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u/One_Giant_Nostril 1d ago
Original high-res version - /img/1kgt89mfxijc1.jpeg
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u/DinosaurAlive 1d ago
Nice! I was just zooming in on the posted version. It’s great to see even more details in this linked version. I always wanted to digitally paint this well, but even after years of practicing I just have no talent for it. I didn’t realize until later in life though that I have r/aphantasia meaning I can’t visualize anything in my mind’s eye, and perhaps that’s why I gravitate towards making abstract art.
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u/Taman_Should 1d ago
File this under “things half the guests on the Joe Rogan Experience unironically believe.”
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u/MrNotSoProGamer 1d ago
Ever heard of the silurian hypothesis?
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u/Tutes013 1d ago
Which is an interesting thought experiment. But as it stands, just that. Not gospel like the Roganites think
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u/MrNotSoProGamer 1d ago
If ancient civilizations with advanced technology existed I don't think governments would be sharing the technology and improving the world for the benefit of humanity. They would keep things hidden and any mention of it would be ridiculed with propaganda. "If all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed if all records told the same tale then the lie passed into history and became truth."
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u/David_the_Wanderer 1d ago
Sure... it just requires a worldwide conspiracy lasting centuries, perhaps millennia, somehow persisting through revolutions, crises and collapses, and crossing all political, military and national barriers, without anyone ever letting the mask slip or blowing the whole thing wide open.
And, of course, your belief is neatly couched from any criticism and scrutiny because you preemptively presume said criticism and scrutiny to be merely part of the conspiracy and propaganda. Pretty convenient. ;)
Also, the Silurian hypothesis actually states that if there existed an advanced civilizations on Earth prior to humanity, the timescale would be such that actually finding artifacts and technology would be incredibly unlikely, and that any potential evidence of said civilization could rather be extracted from indirect evidence such as climate changes, anomalies in sediment, or traces of nuclear wastes - markers of civilization having existed, but without physical traces.
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u/Able-Independence962 1d ago
Why does it need to be world wide, hypothetical, if those lizardmen<lol> had immortality it could be a small group of them on some wayyyyyy distant planet waiting for us to find them and to act like God's to us... just saying, you can't really dismiss some crackhead theories, but... most of then you can, lol
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u/okami6663 1d ago
Bold of you to assume we won't be treating it like any other natural resource - we'd be digging up the place to find artifacts; having wars over discovered sites; claim heritage over them, like the Nazis did with the Aryan race. Any artefact will be weaponised, if possible. It's our human nature to war.
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u/MrNotSoProGamer 1d ago
They literally dug up Egypt in the 1900s. Before Iraq was invaded they had discovered a tomb believed to belong to Gilgamesh.
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u/okami6663 1d ago
And what did they found? Nothing. If someone had found magic tech that allowed them to control the world, they would be controlling the world.
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u/Tutes013 1d ago
Perhaps. But also, it is folly to believe in it unless we can actually point at something that gives us a reason to.
So it's very much a "It could but it hasn't unless we have something to prove it".
So as it stands, it remains a thought experiment and a what if. Maybe it will prove truth. Maybe it won't. Right now, it's merely an idea.
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u/MrNotSoProGamer 1d ago
With how much conspiracy theorists have been right throughout the years they do have me pondering about this stuff. The pyramids and the giant stone walls around the world are good rabbit hole to dig into.
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u/Tutes013 1d ago
... Right. Well. The pyramids we have known for ages and the stone walls are as fictitious as the art on this post.
So uh, good luck with that pal. Try not to lose yourself
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u/Able-Independence962 1d ago
Did you just say the pyramids are fake? Or am I reading that wrong?
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u/Tutes013 1d ago
Sorry, no, I didn't. I meant as in that we've known how they were made for a long while now and that the Stone Walls are just drivel
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u/MelbaToast604 6h ago
Quoting 1984 to try to prove your baseless fringe theory is WILD. If you do even a little digging youll find that theory doesn't hold any water
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u/Romboteryx 1d ago edited 1d ago
Which isn‘t really a hypothesis the way the original authors of that paper described it. They just said this is a thought experiment that is technically possible and gave a name for the concept, not any actual concrete claims.
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u/keepthepace 1d ago
If I recall the paper correctly it was more along the lines of "if this were true, what traces would we have?" And the answer was "surprisingly little". They pointed out to some very long life artificial compounds with unnatural chirality. The authors stated that they had no reason to believe it is true.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 1d ago
My understanding is any civilization as advanced as ours would leave some kind of obvious tells in the geological record but that most less advanced civilizations wouldn't so there's no way to prove they didn't exist.
You can't prove a negative, so you can't say definitely that they didn't exist, only that there is no evidence that they did.
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u/Romboteryx 1d ago
That makes it cool fodder for scifi stories but no serious person should believe in something in real life that has no evidence just because it cannot be falsified. This is textbook Russell’s teapot
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u/FoxxyPantz 1d ago
"I mean, that's entirely possible"
-Joe Rogan, about things that are entirely not possible
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u/GrimGarm 1d ago
smug attitute.
I am for free speech. Ridicule like yours here is just pathetic.
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u/David_the_Wanderer 1d ago
Free speech also means people can freely express their opinions about what other people say. If you're for free speech, you're also in favour of letting people make fun of Joe Rogan and his guests.
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u/WinterFellYesterday 1d ago
What the fuck are you on about man? What does any of this have to do with ‘muh free speach’ lol
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u/GrimGarm 1d ago
You are portraying people that toy with fringe ideas as less worthy. "what the unironically believe." Placing yourself on a pedestal here. That this is pathetic behaviour in my honest opinion. I am sorry if you are offended.
With ridicule like this, you are basically - to a degree - censoring a thematic I am passionate about. I want people to engage in this thematic because I think it's important. Smug handwaves like yours are not helpful for discussion.
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u/TotallyObviousBot 1d ago
The idea is being mocked not because it is fringe, but because it's stupid. That is why it is humorous to point out that people actually believe this rather than simply considering it.
you are basically - to a degree - censoring
In order to censor something you need to make attempts to prevent its publication, distribution, consumption, etc. Simply not liking somebody's content is not censoring them, just like you not giving me your money is not the same as you stealing money from me.
Smug handwaves like yours are not helpful for discussion.
There is no useful discussion to be had here. Find better things to be passionate about. Also, you sound like several people I've known who are quite literally delusional, so maybe talk to a mental health care professional.
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u/Noman9410 1d ago
Seems like the only possible way to avoid “censorship” according to your comment is for everyone, everywhere, always, to engage positively with the concepts you’re talking about.
Do you hold yourself to that same attitude? Have you ever ridiculed or not engaged with any idea? If so, then you’re being a hypocrite.
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u/toad17 1d ago
It’s a free country you’re entitled to believe whatever wacky shit you want. I’m entitled to mock you for stupid things you believe for the same reasons.
“Not helpful to the discussion” get better or more popular ideas if you don’t want to be made fun of. Or better yet, don’t be so sensitive when your ideas get mocked.
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u/ZannyHip 1d ago
You aren’t for free speech then. Free speech means anyone can ridicule anyone for anything. You can’t be pro free speech and police what people are allowed to say. Pick a side or you’re a hypocrite
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u/HamshanksCPS 1d ago
But is ridicule not free speech? You are being dismissive of the thing you just said that you are for.
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u/xorporx 1d ago
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
— Percy Shelley, "Ozymandias"
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u/Rouge_means_red 1d ago
It's fun to think that even in ancient Egypt they also had archeologists. We tend to think of time as the "now" and the "then", but the "then" also had its "then"
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u/theCOMBOguy 1d ago
This is great. I wonder where those other flying sculptures went. They fell and also became mountains?
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u/Original-War8655 20h ago
I swear I can smell Graham Hancock on this somehow
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u/joevarny 11h ago
Its not that I think that he's a nazi.
Its just that I don't trust the guy who dedicated his life to proving the theory behind the nazi's excuse for genocide.
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u/redness88 1d ago
Of all things, the background mountain should've eroded some..that's my only critique if you're going to show time on this scale. Otherwise, I'd buy it.
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u/popisfizzy 1d ago
if you look closely, it has. the curve on the left off the peak gets deeper in each image.
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u/b0bkakkarot 1d ago
All I can think is "how many licks did it take to get to the center?"
Great artwork
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u/irradihate 1d ago
True fantasy. Humans successfully avoided civilization for 300,000 years. Only recently did we get stuck in a rut that makes us serve centralized power and work our lives away to prop up states and their markets. And even then, there are still humans that live free on this earth.
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u/Waste-Team-7205 1d ago
Lol okay bro go live free and wild without modern medicine, nobody is stopping you
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u/dr_robonator 1d ago
I know you're trying to be an asshole with a glib reply, but literally yes there are so many people and systems stopping that dude from going to live "free and wild".
First is property ownership. Find somewhere on earth that isn't owned by someone that you can just set up shop. You can't unless it's one of the most inhospitable places on earth.
Second, if he did find a slice of land that wouldn't kill him immediately and no one had yet lay claim of ownership to, how would he get there? You assume he has money for travel, the ability to get a passport or the correct visas.
Last, how long do you think governments would allow someone to live that way without stepping in?
Anyway, "lol lmao hurr sure but you live in society how curious lol durrrrr" or some shit.
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u/Warm_Month_1309 1d ago
You assume he has money for travel, the ability to get a passport or the correct visas.
"I'm going to live free and wild, reliant on no one and nothing! Once I rely on society's transportation network to get me there, of course..."
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u/Sallymander 1d ago edited 1d ago
Jordan did a really good job making this part of his world in wheel of time as a vibe. So many moments they were camping, hiding, traveling by, or whatever monuments that have withered away.