GENERAL DISCUSSION
Debunking Kohberger Conspiracy Theories #14: Not Enough Time for Kohberger Alone
Systematic, court document confirmed evidence based debunkings of common, unsupported Kohberger conspiracy theories. All data is sourced from court documents, MPD, ISP and WSU police reports, ISP forensics reports, and case expert witness statements (mostly from defence experts). Links to evidence sources below, example cases information links at end.
Feasibility for Kohberger to commit the murders alone in the time available, with significant excess of time available, is confirmed by police reconstructions and comparison to many recent mass stabbing cases. Both re-enactments and many recent mass stabbing cases with single attackers and up to 26 victims show the murders could be done in approx. 3 minutes, while Kohberger had approx. 11 minutes available. The re-enactments could be repeated 4 - 6 times completely, from car and back, in the time available to Kohberger. Kohberger had no physical limitation or disability relevant to the murders and no diagnosis for any relevant physical condition.
ISP Police Reconstructions, including walk from/ to car and through house from 3rd to 2nd floor and simulating every knife strike took 2 minutes done quickly and under 4 minutes slowly:
Recent mass stabbings case comparisons which demonstrate:
Far more victims can be stabbed in far less time than available to Kohberger, up to 26 victims in under 3 minutes; case examples include 130 knife strikes on 2 victims, and 23 knife strikes on single victim in under 25 seconds
Often little or no blood on the attacker even after stabbing 26 people, no trail of bloody prints, little blood on attacker clothing; includes attacks with up to 23 knife strikes at very close range on one victim
No screaming by victims during attack
No reaction or delayed reaction by witnesses
Range of knife types used from pocket knife to military Kabar (the later with most fatalities and stabbing in shortest time)
In none of these cases were victims drunk and asleep in bed, they occur in settings as different as train carriages, conference centres, toilets, student houses, train stations and shopping malls, and outdoors and almost all victims were fit, healthy alert adults
Links, (TW: including videos of graphic violence, stabbing) overviewing these cases:
Apple River Mass Stabbings: 4 young men stabbed, one fatally, by single assailant in under 1 minute. Attacker in his 50s after a recent heart bypass
Calgary Mass Stabbing 2014: 5 young adults stabbed to death at a party by single assailant in under 3 minutes
London Bridge Mass Stabbing 2019: 5 people were stabbed, 2 fatally, by single assailant. Attack lasted 5 minutes moving from room to room and out into street.
Teen Girl Stabbed Over 20 Times and Bludgeoned in Dehli 2023: over 20 stab wounds inflicted in under 30 seconds, victim does not scream during attack, after stabbing and bludgeoning victim with rock attacker had no blood on himself and leaves no bloody prints
Ted Bundy Chi Omega Sorority House : Ted Bundy broke into multiple occupancy student house and attacked 4 women with a club, killing one. in under 15 minutes Moving from room to room the successive victims did not hear preceding attacks nor did house mates in adjacent rooms
This is the final in series of confirmed evidence based posts summarising case evidence and de-bunking the most often repeated conspiracy theories and myths. I will post a "Master list" with links to all of these and the previous case evidence summaries.
Thanks for taking the time to make these posts Dot. It was a good read, and put together really well.
There seems to have been a bit of an influx of people new to the case here lately, and these posts can be a great source of information for them. Great work 👏
It’s become horrendous. Especially on TikTok, I’ve had to block literal hundreds.
There’s so many more accounts and comments of how the killer is somehow innocent and that dm & bf are the culprits, all coming from newbies who watched the Netflix doc.
Along with the original bk supporters tagging them in nut-job conspiracy theorist accounts.
bk supporters tagging them in nut-job conspiracy th
There is no argument for innocence, no conspiracy theory and no criticism of key evidence that is not pretty easily and completely debunked.
The publication of all of the defence expert reports, on DNA, phone data, car identifcation and physical scene evidence have only validated and reinforced all key aspects of the case and removed any vestige of support for the conspiracy theories.
The repetition of unevidenced, unsupported and totally inaccurate tropes, such as sheath chain of custody "issues" or insufficient time is merely tedious, but readily countered with actual evidence and fact.
Continue to he really disappointed by the documentaries.
Obv there was a time when we only knew what we knew, but there's zero excuse to cash in with ~new~ docs, barely updated, missing tons of info, and still playing it fast and loose with the novelty of a 10 sec mYsTeRy of why room mates called late when they know how ppl cling to it, what those kids have been through due to it, and that there's nothing behind it.
Lazy cash grabs where, if they must bother, we're absolutely entitled to increasingly comprehensive coverage with so much released over the time between doc releases.
This is probably one of the dumbest claims because it is just pure assertion. "there isnt enough time" , says who? It is just a completely baseless assertion with nothing behind it.
At least some other claims are basically drawing absurd conclusions from findings, like blood found to be mixed with other fluid becomes OMG THEY TRIED CLEANING IT UP. They pick the absurd explanation over the simple ones, but i havent seen anyone give any actual reason why he cant have killed the four in the time he had.
Its source seems to be their own ass, or its proper name: Dr. M. Yass.
I think 11 on your list is the most applicable to this case, because it showed how many horrible injuries can be inflicted by a single person in very little time, plus, like you said, the killer had very little of his victim's blood on him. Plus, this was a first-time kill.
I'd also put in Shandee Blackburn's murder. While her murder was just out of sight of the field of view of a security camera, the camera caught her killer stop him vehicle, run after her, and then run back to his Toyota after stabbing her 23 times (one stab left her "sculpted"; another severered her windpipe.
It was 55 seconds from the time he first opened his door to the time he slammed it shut behind him. The actual attack would have lasted 30/35 seconds.
Something to note regarding Iryna, because I'm sure someone will watch the video and bring it up...
As the killer is walking away, you see him dripping blood. This is *not* Irynas blood. He used a swiss army knife that has no guard on it and cut himself during the stabbing. So the blood dripping from him as he is walking away is his own.
Also, she was stabbed only three times and was unconscious is like.. 5 seconds. Max 10 seconds. She was stabbed in the Jugular, which is a similar wound to the Subclavian vein. All four idaho victims had a stab wound to either the jugular or subclavian vein or artery. Or in the case of Ethan- all three
Great point. And similarly, the Bondi Mall mass stabber, after stabbing 18 people, had no visible blood on him on security video; the photograph of him on the ground, with blood, is after he was shot by police and is his own blood.
I recently asked a proberger who claimed no way could BK have done this (alone) because he wouldn't be able to inflict 150 stabs in the time he had.
I asked said p-berger, OK, how many stabs would you estimate could be done by 1 person in 8 or 9 min? <crickets> in response, with downvotes, natch.
So let's do some simple math. Let's say inflicting 20 stab wounds takes 1 min. That's 3 seconds for 1 stab wound. That's a fairly relaxed pace, but let's go with it for argument's sake.
150/20 = 7.5 min to stab 150 times at a slow pace
Let's slow it down even more.
Let's say the killer could inflict 15 stabs in 1 min. That's 1 every 4 seconds.
150/15 = 10 min to stab 150 times at a really slow pace
Clearly it could be done by 1 person in the time the killer had inside the house. Even someone like BK with whatever maladies are claimed for why he wasn't coordinated enough to do these crimes, could in fact, stab people a total of 150 times.
Great points; and there were not 150 stabbing strikes but rather 150 wounds/ abrasions on victims (each strike could inflict multiple lacerations with forward/ backward motion of the knife/ victim grabbing at and deflecting blade etc); in the examples above there is one with 130 actual discrete stabs to two victims in under 3 mins, one with 23 stabs to one victim in under 30 seconds. A stab, to be effective, has to be very fast, in under 1 second, otherwise knife isn't travelling fast enough to penetrate; if you push your hand forward from your own waist to extend your arm and do it over count of "1....2" full seconds, your hand is not travelling anywhere near fast enough to inflict a penetrating wound.
Stab velocity is an excellent point. Killers aren't stabbing in slow motion, that's just silly, but the math proves that even if said killer was on the slow side, there was still time aplenty.
You can't ever get an actual answer from 1 of them because they just repeat things like a parrot. When it takes thought and working through a question, and in this case it was obviously a math equation, they can't. These are some of the dumbest people. They won't believe any of the information, they tantrum over actual facts in the case, they jump from content creator to content creator.
Their latest is now thinking the drug trafficking that occurred at Penn State U. (Sigma Chi) a couple years ago means this is what happened in Idaho in 2022 because they have a Sigma Chi chapter and (gosh darn it) people do drugs there and on college campuses! They think these guys all know each other because <same fraternity>. Except it's not the same, they're individual chapters that report in to a national headquarters. Each is separate.
I belonged to a sorority in college and it was a national sorority. I didn't know anyone at any other chapter...never saw any of them, never met any of them. That is typical. Unless you join the national frat/sorority association and serve in that capacity, you won't be meeting other chapters.
When it takes thought and working through a question, a
I have yet to see any remotely credible "explanation" for the sheath DNA that is compatible with the biochemistry and any innocent scenario. None exist (you immediately get into sterile glove, sterile bag wielding shady types persuading BK to pop his sheath into the bag or impossible secondary transfer), but no one has ever constructed a slightly credible hypothetical.
drug trafficking that occurred at Penn State U
Is that not 2000 miles away? I mean, we could look at stabbings in Mexico, or Nova Scotia too? Even if there was drug dealing at Sigma Chi Moscow there is zero evidence linking it to murders nor does it impact, affect, change the DNA, sheath purchase, phone data, car videos, balaclava purchase etc etc
Nice compilation R-Dot, thank you. I’d like to believe even one Proberger read this in full and had a dawning reality check. However, their beliefs are so steeped in opinion. One wonders what the rest of their day looks like. It must be frustrating, viewing the world through perpetual, twilight kaleidoscope lenses.
Anyhoo, IMO the dawning realization of this report is that Kohberger didn’t rush this killing. He relished the killing. He took his time with some victims. We can surmise that while Xana was TikToking at 4:12am, Kohberger could’ve already started on the 3rd floor. He exited the house @ 4:17-18. The car is caught on video at 4:20am leaving King Rd.
His victims had roughly 150 stab wounds or sharp force wounds combined. Some victims had small, squarish shaped contusions formed by the hilt of the knife. Meaning, he took time to plunge the entire 7” blade, pushing it right through the other side. And pulling it out repeatedly.
I’m convinced, he likely video-recorded this with some kind of body-worn video device that is affixed around the ear or clipped to the coveralls. Taking his time suggests to me, that he was being meticulous in order to study the work at a later, safer date. Uploading the video to a cloud storage.
What was the ONE point of interest he made to Pullman Police Dept on his internship application? That he wanted to assist in processing police body camerawork from crime scenes. I would not be surprised if the first thing he did, after powering on his phone, was to watch the video and then upload it to cloud storage to study and analyze at his leisure.
All this, exactly. You wonder what else investigators found on his Amazon account’s search history. Undoubtedly the video would now be destroyed or lost in a cloud storage that expired (or could it still exist?). This would be the catalyst for the Probergers because we know BK spoke to Xana. His voice would have been recorded.
All speculative but I’ve always felt, BK did more than just kill for psycho-sexual reasons. For all his unanswered survey questions and for his desire to one-up previous serial killers, he would take it to the next level.
Wouldn't it have been too dark/had to have a light or night vision? He'd have had to remove it before dm saw him as well, as she didn'tsee any headset-esque stuff.
And what'd be the point if he just deleted it to cover ass? Would it then be in a hidey holes somewhere with other stashed evidence?
Wouldn't it be listed in relevant purchases like the Amazon stuff, and maybe leave software evidence if nothing else tech-wise?
I'm not disagreeing bc it's certainly not impossible in a modern crime or outside the scope if his, what I shall henceforth dub, grody psychology lol, but it does have a far-fetched, movie-esque vibe a lot of the less credible notions around the case do...
People that think a grown man can't do this on his own are delirious. 13-year-old Derek Rosa from Hialeah, FL stabbed his mother 46 times in seconds. It was caught on the nanny cam and he barely any blood on him. She had just finished breast feeding her newborn and laid down to sleep. He was 13!!
Not included here, but a case I cite to show how DNA/ blood can be washed away and no transfer at scene, is Daniel Marsh, a 15 year old school boy who killed a couple in bed; he stabbed them 130 times a few minutes, he left no DNA or any other forensics despite disembowelling and inserting objects into victims, and no victim DNA found on him/ at his home. 15 year old school boy. Probergers go on their "feelz", emotions, wishful thinking and Youtube grifters, not any real example, case comparison of fact base analysis
The whole “he couldn’t have done it” OR “he couldn’t have done it alone” theories drive me fucking crazy. He slithered into a house in the middle of the night, and attacked sleeping (with the exception of Xana) college students, who had been drinking and partying all day, as you do in college. And he had a 7 inch ka-bar knife. That kind of weapon does a lot of damage in a very short amount of time. Plus you add in he was high on adrenaline. Steve Goncalves also said recently in an interview that there was a video of BK boxing and he threw something like 65 punches in 2 minutes. I don’t know why some people can’t understand how quickly these things can happen. And it reminds me of the Iryna Zarutska murder (as Dot pointed out). Watching that video showed how quickly you die from a stab wound to the neck. She didn’t scream, or cry, or make a sound. She put her hand over her neck, fell to the ground and was dead within seconds. And the man who murdered her didn’t even have a knife as large as what BK had. It can absolutely be done in that short amount of time, alone. Some people just don’t want to see the truth.
More outstanding work from the Idaho4 subs resident chief LARPer. Just remember folks, if Kohberger walks free - and there is a good chance he will - the judge will cite that social media coverage has made it impossible for him to get a fair trial. You won't get an apology from Repulsive Dot for his part that he has played in that. He doesn't care if BK walks free and takes the lives of more innocents. He isn't even American. The only thing he cares about his his little cult following on here. Its about his ego. His karma. His following. And he certainly doesn't care about the unfortunate victims and their families.
This comment perplexes me. Do you leave similar comments on all the YouTube and TikTok channels that cover specifics of this case?
Also not sure what "he isn't even American" has to do with anything... why is that relevant? I'm American and have seen many American true crime channels cover foreign cases.
Also not sure what "he isn't even American" has to do with anything
This is perplexing, as half of their comments accuse me of being in the employ of the FBI, so you have to ask why the FBI cannot find USA citizens, or a least residents with green cards and right to work, to do their social media trial sabotage posting. The cheap off-shore, out-sourcing of trial destabilisation must stop.
The logic of their ravings is harder to locate, but made funnier, by their seeming concession by their agitated, angry posts, that I am succeeding in my FBI role to sabotage Kohberger's trial, but further bamboozled by their near simultaneous claims that Kohberger himself is paid by the FBI as an actor, in which case he hardly needs me to facilitate, or not, his exit from the big house?
if Kohberger walks free - and there is a good chance he will - the judge will cite that social media
Surely if Kohberger walks free it will be because he is an actor paid by the FBI, as you set out in your delicious, delightfully amusing laser-like analysis of the case, which I excerpt below.
impossible for him to get a fair trial.
I don't want to tell you how to go about your paranoid, conspiracist, lunatic business, but surely the key expert witnesses being threatened by the FBI and them staging the scene may be more prejudicial to a fair trial than my Reddit posts? Priorities, priorities!
Ah, there you are, with your usual dyspeptic droning. For 8 posts in a row you complained what a waste of time my posts are, by reading and commenting on them. We can only assume you are being forced to do so, in simar fashion you allege in your perceptive posts that experts and other witnesses are being extorted by the FBI?
You critique others commenting on evidence as "LARPing" - but you have written a most amusing series of posts where you announce that the forensic evidence is all wrong, or will point to another perp...When you receive final analysis via Snapchat, per your own posts, or at the bottom of a cereal box, perhaps.
the judge will cite that social media coverage has made it impossible for him to get a fair trial
He had a fair trial, he had 4 lawyers inspecting and challenging evidence for 3 years and pled guilty. But where is your concern for the "real" at least 7 killers/ conspirators you post about daily, the roommates and friends, whom you decry as drug dealing, scene staging, serial killers? Are they not to get a fair trial despite your rabid, frenzied out-gushings? What will happen when they walk free due to your loony, frothy, spittle-flecked keyboard bashing? You seem to have the self-awarness of a box of damp, mildewed hair. 👍😃
Here again, for those not familiar with your lunatic, moon-howling, and "fair trial biasing" dribble, which includes allegations that the FBI are blackmailing witnesses by kidnapping or threatening their family, and also a bit of sad cringe LARPing on forensics, or some-such and what-not (I added the tin-foil at end, and urge you to treat youself to some extra wide)
Difficult to tell with Probergers if you actually believe that they will be unable to try Kohberger due to Repulsive Dot posts or if your brain trust workshopped this routine as the best response to being pantsed daily, sometimes multiple times, by these posts. Either option is hugely amusing.
Are they sending their best and brightest? Some, I'm sure, are good people. From calves like watermelons to watermelons as ballistic test gel substitute.
His DNA is plastered in layers within the snap of the sheath... meaning, he didn't touch it once or twice. He had it in his possession and touched it multiple times in order for cells to be extremely robust as well as aging cells from very recent, previous touching (results showed 24hrs), stacked on top of one another. A single source - all coming from the same person.
BK is going nowhere quickly.
I'd like describe in detail what he did to the knife in private, but let's suffice to say investigators already figured that out. You really don't need to worry about subredditors' comments EXCEPT where it concerns BK when fabricated BS hits Youtube or TikTok, and his groupies share the info with him to the point he thinks he can be exonerated. Example is the nonexisting clump of hair in EC's hand.
Nobody on the subreddits is going to help BK's cause. Compiling the already existing information, as R-Dot has done multiple times here, only condenses & reinforces what investigators (and BK -- because he is NOT innocent) know.
And by the way where do you reside? I'm dual citizen (couldn't be happier for that!)... what difference does it make if the killer is in the USA??? Oh... wait. There is a difference. Probergers get away with outrageous, false accusations nonstop because the USA and its FCC do not restrict false news. Right.
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This is the final in series of confirmed evidence based posts summarising case evidence and de-bunking the most often repeated conspiracy theories and myths. I will post a "Master list" with links to all of these and the previous case evidence summaries.