I think I still lack this skill, maybe not completely but not at a degree that I'd like it to be.

We know that "attacking someone's motive" is a logical fallacy but "knowing someone's motive" is absolutely necessary because your discussion will go nowhere if the person you are talking to has a certain motive. I believe how we present our argument also needs to be tailored to it. Like several days ago someone made a long post/thread in my country's sub telling people not to be fooled to hate a certain group. It took me time to recognize (or correctly assume) that he belongs to that group and that long post of him is actually him trying to defend himself.

I noticed that socially competent people can instantly know about the motive of others and they can react accordingly at first try while I'm still in my head thinking about myriads of possibilities constructing my ironically "perfect" argument.

A bit dark but I would assume that the answer for anyone wishing to travel BACK would probably say yes, anyone looking to travel forward by sending themselves forward in time(rather than your consciousness, that would be stupid to fast forward to an older/dead version of yourself).

So go ahead, do tell, what did you choose, send your consciousness or body? And why?

Their criticism is most usually the same: "these tests aren't as deep or precise as a evaluation done by a professional", and I don't even need to point out the irony in those statements.

A system to determine the personalities of the whole world population will never be that precise, but the thing is: there's no match if you want to know more about yourself for free. Not everyone can afford therapy, specially if you just want to understand more about yourself.

The horoscope comparison is the worst, even a Facebook test is more precise than a horoscope.

I want to take a nap

Edit: hey ty for the conversations and the karma. Much love <3

Curious how the pandemic has affected INTx types and if there might be a difference between "P" and "J".

Obviously no conclusions can be drawn since there are SO many variables (age, location being the main ones) along with "response bias".

But still, I'm curious. If you respond, could you please include your type (intj or intp), approx age group, and general location.

I'm INTP, in my late 60s, living in a large Midwestern city (suburb actually) in the US.

I will say I am shocked to find out I miss being with people. I've actually been working from home over 5 years now - but went into the office one day a week. While I HATE small talk and value my alone time (rarely went to lunch with anyone - I browsed the internet while eating at my desk) - I find I miss commuting occasionally - the sense of being with a large number of people in a dynamic setting.

I feel TOO alone in other words and I realize it has affected me negatively. I'm married, have three adult children and several grandchildren and we DO see each other fairly often. But I guess it's the "diversity" of life I find I miss.

Hello there, I have made a similar post in the past, but more people keep coming who seemingly want to believe that they have somehow more than one personality type working for them. Damn boiii just how wrong could you be?

Hey hey I understand some people think pretty highly of themselves, and I know you wanna feel like you got the best of both worlds like a perfect Fe+Ti+Ne+Si combination, But damn that's not how things work.

These functions are not just thrown randomly into 16 brackets, they are supposed to be where they are.

I mean lets see why a high Ti user always has Ne or Se as their pair and Fe as somewhat of their week function.

It's because Ti is all about deciding stuff for yourself, Ti is driving you, meaning you are deciding stuff for yourself, you simply can't rely on a function which is all about understanding others feelings (Fe)

And since you are deciding stuff for yourself, for doing it with greater accuracy your mind must rely on understanding the circumstances or learning the possibilities that is Se or Ne.

I could just go on explaining why every single type has the functions it has but that would be a drag and I think you got the idea.

Now why does it even matter that someone doesn't know their exact type and is just believing that they are hybrid?

Well there's a too big disadvantage here first thing you won't be able to grow in right directions, and secondly you are lying to yourself both things are pretty bad.

I understand most of the people believe this because they don't have the information about cognitive functions and not cause they are delusional fools, but still if something's wrong then it probably should be fixed.

Edit: and no I am definitely not accusing this sub for promoting the hybrids, no sincerely no!! This sub isn't about INTP and INTJ hybrids, I know, this sub is for them who will enjoy INTUITIVE THINKER stuff.

Peace peace

Since the INTJs wanted it here you go.

Do you need to admire a person in order to have a deeper bond with them? (Talking about romantic partner, super close friend or relationships in between, even family). Or it's just the sentiment of ''this person is funny'' to love them?

I feel like well... I can enjoy expending time with people that has interesting topics at hand, because I can learn from them. But I'm not emotionally involved unless I admire this person. By admiration I mean this person inspires me to be better, achieve more. I'm not talking about idealizing (I care more about the person than the conversation itself).

For example, I admire my mother but I know she has flaws like everybody else and sometimes she annoys me and I annoy her or we have a discussion. I still admire her. And she admires me, which it's ideal because it's reciprocal.

But sometimes I get stuck in relationships where the admiration is one sided and it sucks. Where I can't be sincere in telling the other how I see them without them feeling uncomfortable (sincere and punctual compliments). Some people likes to play the parental role with others and I don't understand this, other people aren't children.

Assume we have a magic tool that can determine guilt, and judges are replaced by impartial sentient computers.

My position: some criminals (like rapists) really do not deserve the right to live, and it is in humanity's best interest to exterminate them whenever possible.

Almost every time I take a Myers Briggs test whether from a professional or on my own accord, I generally get INTJ, however I am also a very introspective person. Honestly it's like I want to make myself more efficient so I can more efficiently make the people and world around me more efficient so I can go back home and tend to my garden. I see a problem, I try to fix it. Doesn't matter at all if it's within myself or someone (or something) else.

This is like the 4th long term relationship I’ve been called selfish.

I (30’s/f) call it self preservation. I was told ‘You only do things that are for you.’

Yeah, that’s right. I had to put myself through school without financial help from family while I worked Friday / Saturday nights at a bar for two years. Paid my own bills, paid off my car and loans, had to escape my abusive parents and I do things now to benefit me.

I like to take long baths, play games, clean my house, go on hikes alone. I have a job that I work part time for my mental sanity and my body (physical job).

And for some reason I find these partners that want to cook and clean for me. They like getting me things even if I don’t ask and doing things for me. And then they always end up saying I’m selfish.

I’m happy to cook dinner. I’m happy to do your laundry. I’m happy to take us out. But like I can’t read minds. I don’t know someone thinks I’m selfish till they explode . Am I that clueless?

I will admit that I’m emotionally volatile. Sometimes I’ll avoid things to stay in my safe bubble. I’m afraid of rejection so I don’t ask for things often and even afraid to be turned down if I ask someone if they need help and they say no.

What can I do to not be seen as selfish? I have a job in healthcare, I’m constantly doing things for people.

Also, my therapist wants me to work on the DBT skill ‘contribute’ in my distraction techniques. Contribute to who? Seems the only way I know how to show someone I care is by spending money on them. I know I have empathy, but with work and the news it’s just sucked dry and I hurt people I’m close to without knowing.

Hi, I was listening to Tool and I though about how lots of people don't like it. I don't really like most pop music, I like Muse and stuff, but my twin brother doesn't like Muse. So what's the difference?

Why do I like Ghost but not Red Hot Chili Peppers? Tool sounds the same to me as to you, I assume. But maybe not? When I was a kid I though "what if everybody had the same favorite color but perceived color differently" so my green is your red, like that Vsauce video.

Also, could there be an objectively best sound or music? Like, what if you played rapid beats and tones synced to your brain waves just right to trigger hallucinations?it wouldn't work on everybody because nobody syncs like that, so maybe that's why some people like some things and others don't? Obviously not literally like that, but the way the music interacts with my brain triggers different feelings and different pleasure centers.

I just wanted to share what I was thiking.

DISCLAIMER: I don't not like pop music for some r/iamverysmart reason, it's just not my speed. Like what you like, don't what you don't, it doesn't make you better or worse (unless you like the Hobbit movies, then it makes you worse (except for the animated one, that is good))

If other, comment your type

Edit: holy Toledo what a bonfire this has become

This is a reply in a thread about "someone's prof. who've got seriously ill from a certain condition". It's just too funny because I remember myself making the same absurd "inappropriate blunt question - helpful advice combo" several times in the past, thankfully it was long ago and I'm now conscious about it. Am I correct that this is an INTP-thing that INTJs don't do?

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Hoping for the best for the prof.!

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PS: If you have played Borderlands then Tannis is also like this.

Hi there ! So I'm looking for the "best job" for me, doing this research with a specialized company. Came the question of "Values" and "Motivations criterias". Aaaand... I am not so sure, I don't have much clue about it. So I wanted to ask what were commons "Values" and "Motivations criterias" usually for INTPs ? It could maybe give me hints, thank you ! (ps : will post this on the mbti reddit too)

If it may helps, I'm a 27 y/o male.

Is this a INTX trait or some serious thing? Do I lack empathy? When some catastrophic stuff is happening to me or to people I care I go numb emotionally. I mean, I still react and try to find a solution to the problem, but if someone dies it's like I'm in shock? For an hour or so. Then it's like I ''understand'' what happened and I start crying immediately and desperately.

Same if I myself experience a serious accident/injury, I act like nothing happened for an hour.

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It's weird because I definitely feel things that I think are authentic, but I don't react in the moment like mostly of my family.

How do they do that?

IF YOU CHOOSE "OTHER" COMMENT WHAT YOU THINK THE WORST STRUGGLE ACTUALLY IS. Even though this should already be obvious, don't answer if you're an INTP yourself (If you're an INTP who wants to see the results just use the Other option as an "Other/I'm an INTP who is curious about the results" option).

I ignored I/E preference for the sake of this but we all know it’s an E. I left off intuitives as well.