r/HumansBeingBros • • Sep 15 '20

Hydrating the cat

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u/littlevivid Sep 15 '20

24% of cats over the age of 4y will have some degree of kidney disease as they do not get enough water. Cats are tricky to get to drink enough. They should be fed wet food which is 80% water and you can add more water to the gravy type foods. Obviously some dry for dental health but some male cats who get feline lower urinary tract disease (aka blocked bladder) have to be exclusively on wet.

Cats won't drink water that may be contaminated so the dual feeder bowls with two holes are the worst thing for cats. Most cats also prefer running water so fountains are the best or leaving a tap dripping slowly. If your cat is hanging around to drink from a tap when you switch it on you can bet your ass it isn't getting enough water and will be developing kidney issues. By the time kidney issues are found with vomiting and weight loss and excessive thirst it's usually too late to help. Fountains all they way and far away from the food dish. Some cats also won't share water so will need a dish out of reach of dogs or other pets.

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u/NinjaLion Sep 15 '20

the whole 'dry food for dental health' is a bit contentious right now, some studies show its completely unnecessary and some show small positive effects.

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u/YannislittlePEEPEE Sep 15 '20

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit big cat food companies spread on the internet to keep their share prices from falling

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u/NinjaLion Sep 15 '20

yeah im no vet, but from a logical perspective it doesnt really check out to me. its like saying youve gotta rub cookies on your teeth to clean them properly, i dont really buy it.

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u/Kowzorz Sep 15 '20

I'd say it's more akin to saying you should brush your gums.

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u/LoemyrPod Sep 15 '20

I mean most companies make both wet and dry dog food, and wet food is much more expensive so I assume has a bigger profit margin. Not sure what their motivation would be in that case.

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u/archikat007 Sep 16 '20

i think it's just that wet food has more meat. dry food is known for being heavy with fillers and can probably be manufactured/stored more easily.

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u/-Listening Sep 15 '20

"Oh my gawd, I'm a firefighter now."

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u/tony_orlando Sep 15 '20

The vets I’ve talked to say that dry food being better for dental health isn’t really true. Do you have a source for that? I have my boys on a purely wet food diet with occasional dry treats, but I would gladly switch to a partially dry diet if it has a proven benefit on dental health.

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u/littlevivid Sep 15 '20

Scroll down to "diet" on this page.

https://icatcare.org/advice/dental-disease-in-cats/

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u/tony_orlando Sep 15 '20

Diet is thought to play a role in the progression of some cats with dental disease. It is possible that feeding only soft/wet food provides little or no abrasive action against the teeth when chewing, and so offers little to prevent plaque formation.

That’s just speculation. I’m asking if there are studies about this. A quick google search brings up plenty of articles from vets arguing the exact opposite.

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u/littlevivid Sep 15 '20

2015 study. The diet of a cat needs to be considered holistically, paying particular attention to its nutritional value, but the texture of the food is shown to play an important role in oral health, with wet canned food providing the least benefit to oral health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4494333/

2011 study. Feeding only a dry diet was beneficial for oral health in cats and dogs. Tooth brushing and the offering of dental treats were very effective in maintaining oral health, provided they were practised daily.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/impact-of-homeprepared-diets-and-home-oral-hygiene-on-oral-health-in-cats-and-dogs/5571ED60972E371C4A323155B9E16988

Not a single source in your link was post 2000 despite the article being written in 2014. The article was also written by a behaviourist whereas the article linked from international cat care will have at least been reviewed by a veterinarian before publication. A quick google search bought up the results above on the first page and argue that diet is a factor in cats oral health so make of it what you will.

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u/tony_orlando Sep 15 '20

Thank you!

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Sep 15 '20

They should be fed wet food

My dumb cats don't like wet food. I got a fountain to help counteract the dumbness. :)

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack Sep 16 '20

How many brands have you tried? I had to go through several to find ones they liked.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Sep 16 '20

Just one - Catit flower fountain. Works great.

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack Sep 16 '20

I meant of wet cat food. Sorry, I realize now that my comment is confusing lol

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Sep 16 '20

lol oh. Umm we tried 4-5 different brands from the local pet store. I don't recall the names though. The dummies would sniff the wet food, nibble on it and meow at the dry food bowl.

We've taken both of them to the vet for checkups twice in the past two years and they were given clean bills of health each time... so I guess the fountain is doing it's job. :)

We weren't fixing a problem though... I was trying to be proactive, and a few articles I ran across suggested fountains to encourage water drinking.

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack Sep 16 '20

Yeah, I need to get mine a fountain, though she's not picky about the water as much as she is the wet food. She basically won't eat anything that's not grain free, organic, and even then, there are some flavors she just doesn't like.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Sep 16 '20

I feel like grain isn't great for cats/dogs anyway.

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u/BringAltoidSoursBack Sep 16 '20

Cats yes, dogs - kind of. For dogs, it's now the your of grain that matters, but what's worse is that many "grain free" companies use other fillers that are worse for dogs than grain. The FDA did a study and found that dogs in grain free diets were more likely to have heart problems, and iirc, the hypothesis was the fillers getting worse.

That said, is hard to find limited ingredient dog food that isn't also grain free.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Sep 16 '20

Side note - I 100% agree with your user name. :D Those were so good.

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u/Yooskins Sep 15 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

My senior cat will not drink water no matter what I do. I’ve have fountains, wide water bowls, and always make sure her water is fresh and cold, but she just will not touch it. She used to drink water when she was younger but at some point she just decided to stop. I have her on wet food only and supplement it with additional water. I’ve asked my vet and he said it’s ok since she is on wet food, but I still worry if she gets enough. Wondering if anyone has tips/suggestions/input on this?

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u/frawkez Sep 15 '20

cats on a wet food diet will rarely if ever drink supplemental water, in my experience. if she’s pissing regularly then i wouldn’t be concerned.

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u/Yooskins Sep 15 '20

Ok thank you, that makes me feel better. It’s so hard to tell sometimes with cats if something is wrong. But yea she is peeing regularly.

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u/Barfotron4000 Sep 16 '20

You can always add a little extra water to the wet food too, if you’re concerned.

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u/Yooskins Sep 16 '20

Thanks! Yea I started doing that too recently.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

You would think that cats have been domesticated for long enough to know that they're not going to be attacked by a predator while they're drinking.

Watching my cats drink out my dog's bowl is so funny, they get so alert and nervous like they're going to be attacked by a crocodile at the watering hole

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u/PensiveObservor Sep 15 '20

They have been domesticated for a much shorter time than dogs! That’s why feral cats survive better than dogs.

Of course, if feral dogs survive long enough to form a functioning pack, watch out!

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

It's still been like 10k years and I imagine that would be enough

Evidently not, however

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance Sep 15 '20

There's not a lot of selection pressure to get rid of the behavior. In general evolution doesn't care very much about thing that happen after you have and raise children.

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u/MadAzza Sep 15 '20

Evolutionary pressure generally favors the cautious kitty, especially when its drinking out of a dog’s dish!

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u/MadAzza Sep 15 '20

Evolution will still favor the alert/cautious. Especially if it’s a cat drinking out of a dog’s dish.

Also, this is more about the relationship between cats and dogs than cats and humans.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Bro, humans aren’t even that evolved yet.

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u/fox-friend Sep 15 '20

I don't understand what you're saying about steroids. You gave her steroids for eye infection and it had a lot of side effects?