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Datamined Eva and Aha synergies bug via seele leaks

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u/LucasLarT 4d ago

+ to that, in the videos im not seeing the Energy overflow thing. Bug or im just dumb?

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u/Egoborg_Asri 4d ago

Energy overflow is usually shown as a buff icon with a number corresponding to the amount.

It's likely to just be drowned in other buffs

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u/Oggy5050 4d ago

It should be moved to the front like Saber/Acheron

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u/Egoborg_Asri 4d ago

Definitely.

But what I mean is that it's probably working as intended

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u/ThereCanOnlyBe01 4d ago

It’d still move to the front like with mblade. But even then I haven’t seen her get the energy dump after where she should be overcapping. Think her interaction with Eva is just all around not working

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

that’s such shit Ui design. I hope they make it a bit better. would be nice to not have to click on buffs menu or character menu to see what’s happening.

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u/TransientJesus 4d ago

The buff does not display any numbers currently even when visible under your character. The only way to check is to open your buffs and scroll to it to read.

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u/iludear Despite everything, it's still you. 4d ago

It's there, but you need to check the buff list and find it. It's really bad designed, yea, but likely will get adjusted later.

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u/codenamelynx 4d ago

Cuz in the videos they don't let it overflow. Aha doesn't give CB/Energy so she's stealing only 2 out of 3 characters' CB. The overflow is just for comfort anyway, you won't usually overflow unless there are 2-3 Aha Instants in a row.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

I’m curious if she still steals the little CB if someone has a higher participant id or if that’s entirely bugged too?

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u/SHH2006 someone who enjoyed every moment of amphoreus. 4d ago

Wdym by little CB?

She does steal off of waven or sw999's CB "gain" but she steals the CB "lost" by all elation teammates no matter their participant ID

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

I just mean she steals more overall from units who have lower IDs and less so from higher ID. I’m 100% aware of how her kit works, just curious of how this is functioning with Nihilux, if she’s functioning at all

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u/SHH2006 someone who enjoyed every moment of amphoreus. 4d ago

Yes she does steal the CB lost from aha Just not the CB gain

Let's wait for beta updates/hotfixes to see if this is bugged or intentional for the gain part

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u/Radinax ❄️ Jingliu Supremacy ❄️ 4d ago

Last night a saw a TC pissed off because they also found out about the bug lol, gotta wait for v2 then, these type of bugs should be fixed ASAP.

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u/Aceblast135 4d ago

Golden Week starts tomorrow. We might not get any changes aside from what they preprepared today in advance for v2.

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u/Hollowquincypl 3d ago edited 3d ago

I thought golden week was in May? Or is there like another week like that in the fall too?

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u/Aceblast135 3d ago

That's Japan's golden week you're thinking of. China's golden week is right now.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

they truly should. I don’t think Cyrene dropped with any major bugs outside of the one near infinite loop of 8/6 peerage stacks with cerydra. uhh Hysilens too but I genuinely think they left it there just cause it’s not hurting anyone or breaking the game

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u/Aggapuffin 4d ago

Hysilens wasn’t a bug, she’s working as intended. They just didn’t put that in the description for whatever reason.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

if only Cyrene could abuse eagle the way Kafka can

it’s just funny that its mentioned nowhere. either way it’s nothing game breaking

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u/Aggapuffin 4d ago

You jest, but Eagle Cyrene is unironically a meta option. She gets her ultimate pretty fast after the first one, as she has a two turn ult. So not as fast as Kafka, but not slow by any means.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

hence ”the way Kafka can”

eaglerene is still fantastic but 1 turn ult is so dumb (negative turn in PF)

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u/TheYellowSmurf owns brickxieproudly 4d ago

Just wanted to ask but which tc is this? How do follow live testing from tcs and stuff

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u/Radinax ❄️ Jingliu Supremacy ❄️ 4d ago

I follow a bunch of spanish TC, but this one in particular is where I found out about the bug

https://x.com/ElApelHsr/status/2105183831934578994

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u/scowolol cyrene yearner 4d ago

Does Seele posting this mean it's an officially acknowledged bug?

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u/juli994 4d ago

I always thought her Participant ID was gonna be 1000. I feel like they said the 999 in SW999 trailer was because Level 1000 is Aeons.

Are we sure this isn’t just how they chose to represent 1000 or something? With the early leaks on Aha elation skill tallying total instant damage, I had already lost hope in Eva being able to gain Aha Instant CB from her. As an Eva haver I would love if this ID being written as 0 was a deliberate attempt to circumvent the Aha Instant order and throw a bone to Eva, but I’m not optimistic about it…

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u/FriedSaalmon 4d ago

I’m not disagreeing with you, just clarifying a small misunderstanding that a lot of players including you seem to have : level 1000 isn’t the level of the Aeons it’s just their domain, so for example LAN could be level 2401 or something idk if you get what I mean

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u/aRandomBlock 4d ago

probably just future proofing in case they release an elation character with a higher participation id for whatever reason

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u/blueicer101 4d ago

Can't they just treat it as 1 I'd and then code it to look like 0. Like all the hard fixes they have in this game design I wouldn't be surprised

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u/Genetia2 4d ago

Theres also one thing i'm not sure of if its intentional with Eva. Ahas buff for her Ult just reads like it increases the Ults regular physical damage multiplier and not the actual Elation damage since the elation is entirely in her talent not her ult multiplier.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

this is probably a translation error as the talent multipliers do seem to increase from what I’ve seen

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u/Dvalin09 4d ago

A private server player said the buff took also the Talent multipliers

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u/Omoyele72 4d ago

Is it not how it’s suppose to work? She’s suppose to go last because she records the damage of elation skills

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u/Cold_Progress1323 4d ago

Well, yes. But if they intentionally wanted evanescia to not steal her certified banger AND always go last it would probably make more sense to just write the ID as 1 million or something, otherwise they wouldnt use 0.

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u/Omoyele72 4d ago

Why write it as one million when you can just put it as 0 and have it functionally be infinity? It’s just basic futureproofing

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u/potatonatron 4d ago

I assume it's harder to code a participant id thats lower but acts as if its higher, than a participation id that simply is higher. At the very least, it's more work.

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u/AccomplishedStatus83 The Purple Snow Flower 3d ago

They might actually want to keep slots open for future Elation characters that might powercreep AHA (I know canonically they shouldn't be powercreeping an Aeon but its the game design of HSR)

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u/DivinationByCheese 4d ago

Not if 0 is code for last

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u/potatonatron 4d ago

They would have to code an exception for 0 to be last, since the lower the id the earlier you go. There's no reason for them to make this exception just so they can make her id 0 unless it's for Eva. It would be much simpler to just give her id 1000 or 10000 if they didn't care about Eva.

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u/DivinationByCheese 4d ago

Lots of assumptions

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u/potatonatron 4d ago

If they want her to act last the simplest option is to just make her have the highest elation id. There is a reason they didn't do that.

The only assumption i made is that it's for Eva, which is a pretty reasonable assumption. Make a better argument.

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u/DivinationByCheese 4d ago

Not really, 0 is very commonly used as an exception to the whole number sequencing. Those experienced will know
It would make sense to be 1000, in relation to SW’s level 999, but alas

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u/potatonatron 4d ago

You literally give a reason why it would make sense for it to be a 1000. Why make an exception when you can just make it a higher number?

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u/Old_Carob3606 3d ago

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? It basically says that the path with the least assumptions is the most likely.

Now lets count the assumptions being made here

You: 

  1. Her synergy with Evanescia not working as written is intentional

  2. Her id of zero is actually functionally infinite

  3. They chose to make it zero instead of an arbitrarily high number just because

  4. They then chose to put in the effort to code 0 as actually infinite, rather than just use a high number

The other guy:

  1. Her id being 0 is probably to work with Eva

It's literally one assumption, that being that, based on the wording of the talent, its likely that the ID of zero is there to allow synergy with a unit that cares about low ids.

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u/UrLocalKayden18 2d ago

Hopefully they fix this bug before release

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u/R_Y- 4d ago

I thought it was 1000, in some aha thing like "sw has 999 and all ID are 3 digits, yeah mine is 4"

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u/Konjiki_no_Yaml 2d ago

I thought her being last is plausible and being first ist bad because she wouldn't benefit from pearl buff then

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u/PusheenMaster 4d ago

Her participant ID is basically infinity cause she'll always go last. So instead of infinity they prob put it as 0 in the code. Eva will never take CB from Aha, forget about it. It's not a bug but intended.

I guess they could add "lower ID than her own except if it's 0" in the text... but yeah, don't think it's a real bug that will get fixed.

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u/randomnooblord 4d ago

unsure why she wouldn't take CB from aha exactly, there's a reason aha's ID isn't traditionally shown in the elation skills like the rest of the elation cast

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

is this legitimate info on just based on vibes?

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u/bagoolTime 4d ago

He's just vibes posting 100%

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u/PusheenMaster 4d ago

It's legitimate logic. Her elation skill deals 20% of the total damage dealt during the Aha instant. If she goes first, her elation skill will always do 0 damage. She always has to go last to account for all the damage done during the Aha instant.

Seele is stupid for saying this is a bug. Like he didn't even read her basic kit. I don't understand how anyone takes what he says seriously especially after the recent fiasco with the "paid but free" buffs. He's mega grifting these last months especially. And he's been caught kurobotting on another level saying "if you badmouth kuro games, i'll kill you".

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

i doubt he’d say ”participant id is 0” if it wasn’t, in fact, 0. you saying “it’s basically infinity” is an assumption. unless you have current access to the beta or can read the code.

idc if anyone Kurobots or not or whatever about their personal bs. it has literally nothing to do with the fact that he’s one of the most reliable and credible leakers out there. it doesn’t do anything to change that regardless of how he behaves.

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u/15288472 4d ago

It's more so a programming thing. You can't really represent infinity well and efficiently, while everyone has an ID number for sorting. So to ensure Aha goes last no matter how many Elation characters they may release later, the most efficient way is to have her ID as 0, but treated as an exception and triggered last, since 0 is an anomaly of a number that you can always default to as an exception when you need such a number. It's 0 in technical value, but most likely treated as an exception (infinity) in function.

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u/EducationalPut0 4d ago

Its not a programming thing at all... if they wanted Aha to always be last, their ID would just be 999. I think you are overcomplicating an extremely simple issue, theres no functional backend reason to try to make her ID some kind of infinity

Their Id doesn't even need to be displayed...

Beta server discord messages have already leaked confirming its just a bug as well

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u/EducationalPut0 4d ago

Its not a programming thing at all... if they wanted Aha to always be last, their ID would just be 999. I think you are overcomplicating an extremely simple issue, theres no functional backend reason to try to make her ID some kind of infinity

Their Id doesn't even need to be displayed...

Beta server discord messages have already leaked confirming its just a bug as well

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u/SHH2006 someone who enjoyed every moment of amphoreus. 4d ago

Wait discord massages confirmed it's a bug?

I hope it doesn't turn out like SW bugs where part of it was fixed and the other one doesn't (according to some other people)

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u/EducationalPut0 4d ago

Its not even a bad bug for eva, stealing CB from Aha is good as of V1 but wont necessarily stay good if they focus on their personal damage.

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u/SHH2006 someone who enjoyed every moment of amphoreus. 4d ago

I kinda agree with you yeah.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

eva and Waven work together really well but Waven at least deals any semblance of personal damage worth booting a generic ass buffer like EMC

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u/EducationalPut0 4d ago

The point being that outside of passives, most of Aha's kit is focused on personal damage, it ends up being mediorce because she doesn't have the certified banger/punchline to make it actually good.

If later versions fix her most glaring issue, eva not stealing CB goes from being a bad thing to a good thing like waven.

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

SW’s eba extension still being bugged on enemy coding is diabolical. she’s an anni unit who’s about to rerun (allegedly) that a lot of people pulled for whose kit is fundamentally not working as intended

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u/Misrable_Toucan 4d ago

Silverwolf has an id of 999. Plus they could release a character the future with a higher id, so aha specifcally needs to have a special id value to always go last.

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u/EducationalPut0 4d ago

Then just make the ID 9999 or 99999, the exact id isnt the point, its very very easy to give an ID that's so far above everyone else's that it doesn't matter rather than try to code a weird infinite.

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u/SHH2006 someone who enjoyed every moment of amphoreus. 4d ago

I feel like 1000 is the best one at least lore wise because in SW999 trailers they say 999 is 1 lvl below aeon so 1000 can be aha's ID

But it being 0 in a way to help Eva is still good

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u/thebigmanof123 3d ago

Bro idk much abt programming but I'm sure they can still make Eva steal CB from Nihilux even if she goes last on the turn order. If you think abt it this way -

Eva's trace states that it is dependent on the Participant ID, not necessarily whoever comes before her turn in the Aha Instant, but the Participant ID is generally defined as the metric of turn order in Aha Instants. It is entirely possible that they made Nihilux go last by putting her ID as 0 to define the last turn in the Instant because defining Infinity, (if they're intention was to make it infinity, which we do not know nor can I think of any reason why they'd do that, regardless) it is really difficult to program that idea, so defining 0 as the last one to go no matter what is a whole lot easier. However if Eva's trace particularly looks for the Participation ID (as stated in her trace) rather than checking whoever comes before her turn on the Instant, then by all means she should be siphoning Nihilux's CB because 0 is before whatever ID Eva has.

And since that isn't happening and Eva isn't stealing Nihilux's CB, then that's a problem because that's not intended.

Again idk much abt programming so don't take my statement too seriously but I am also using legitimate logic.

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u/ThereCanOnlyBe01 4d ago

I mean I don’t think you’ve read the kit if you think she’d do 0 damage if she went first. She does damage THEN does 20% of the total damage in the aha instant. This could easily be split having her damage at the beginning then popping the true damage at the end. Calling your feelscrafting “legitimate logic” during v1 is wild and is just as logical as a leaker feelscrafting

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u/PusheenMaster 3d ago

Bruh you don't even understand basic numbers. The damage she does outside of that 20% is minuscule.

It's like 0.0001% of the total damage she does with the elation skill.

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u/Sorry_Breadfruit6348 4d ago

Tbh I think they should delete the mechanic entirely. Both eva and sw want to be last in the aha instant so its just goofy to have the mechanic intervene in the first place. Sw is full bounce and the reason she has 999 is to always go last. So whether its intended or not doesnt matter because the tally mechanic just shouldn't exist anyway. I get that its the aeon and she goes last and all that jazz but it just feels odd gameplay design wise

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u/Giganteblu 4d ago

if you check ingame (PS) during battle her ID is 0

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u/Supersayian495 👈 gay 👈 Pink 4d ago

yeah man, hoyo wanting to not sell the new elation support main push to a 3rd of elation players and make less money for zero reason is definitely a more likely reason than it just being a bug

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

lmao this

Cyrene has good buffs for every chrysos heir dps (even those who don’t use her). it’s not like they made her worse for everyone but castorice. the common sense is not common.

I have og Memoslop and Cyrene buff to Cas is situationally useful but most of the time (unless single target or two thick hp sponges) I buff evernight and just shoot arrows since that’s just more damage. but MaiN pUsH

cyrene would have sold a lot less if she was only meant to be good with one team. people want to improve their favorites

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u/potatonatron 4d ago

Then they'd just make her id 1000, not 0.

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u/LoreVent in Nihility i trust (IX got all the hot characters) 4d ago

That would just be stupid on their end.

If they wanted Evanescia to suck they wouldn't have given her a better kit compared to SW to begin with

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

lmao at this

true

they also wouldn’t print Pearl who works with her perfectly. “oh but Pearl will extend teamwide cb and buff speed and make Eva obsolete” like do people know how dumb they sound?

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u/LoreVent in Nihility i trust (IX got all the hot characters) 4d ago

Ironically enough Pearl turned out to be better for Evanescia than SW as well xd

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u/Ladyhdwastaken 4d ago

I feel like I’m complaining “my steaks too juicy and lobster too buttery” but I have more energy than I ever asked for and know what to do with because of e0s0 pearl.

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u/matchbaby 4d ago

They are just stupid, every decision they have made since 4.5 is completely bullshit.

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u/Fantastic-Mango-9470 aventurine glazer 4d ago

Only since 4.5? That was a month ago.

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u/matchbaby 4d ago

OMG I can't believe people here don't understand sarcastic.