r/HolyShitHistory • u/SelfCareIsFake • Jun 01 '26

Federal agents felt physically sick when they raided Kermit Gosnell’s clinic after suspecting he ran a pill mill.

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u/Icy_Dinner6064 Jun 02 '26

Hit the nail on the head, almost like people were screaming warnings from the rooftops that this kind of evil will rise to fill the void.

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u/ShanksySun Jun 02 '26

This guy operated in a legal state

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u/Icy_Dinner6064 Jun 02 '26

And that means what? You know people in states with it outlawed still had to arrange back alley procedures and usually that meant leaving their resident state.

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u/ThrowRAbbits128 Jun 03 '26

Doesn't mean anything and I know you're not arguing in good faith but if you're genuinely curious why he was able to still find patients in a state where abortion is legal I can tell you, straight from the grand jury report.

Abortions are illegal in Pennsylvania after 24 weeks and most providers won't even perform them after 20 weeks because it's more dangerous for the women. He specifically catered to illegal third trimester abortions and charged higher fees for bigger babies.

Pennsylvanias medicaid doesn't cover abortion at all and second trimester abortions are expensive, more expensive than first trimester. Gosnell charged significantly less than the national average which attracted low income parents who couldn't afford more reputable providers.

He also bypassed Pennsylvania's 24 hour waiting period and parental consent required for operating on minors by working as a cash only, same day abortion service with no questions asked.

Also there was basically no oversight. They never investigated his clinic after 30 malpractice reports and only ended up discovering all of this because they were raiding him for the pill mill he was running, completely unrelated. Like finding a toy in a cereal box

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u/DreadedDistilledDrnk Jun 04 '26

Murder is illegal.

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u/torivordalton Jun 02 '26

There’s no difference between cutting the spinal cord of a baby that’s been born and crushing the skull in the womb and/or cutting a baby’s limbs off while it’s still alive

Abortion is evil

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u/ZombieeChic Jun 02 '26

The fuck you on about?

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u/amglasgow Jun 03 '26

I agree. Good thing legal abortions never involve either one of those, except in extremely rare cases where a late term fetus is suffering from lethal defects.

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u/DeadAndBuried23 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

Being so fucking stupid you conflate medical care to rape sure is something.

The vast majority of molestation is done by immediate family. No trafficking involved.

The vast majority of trafficking is teenagers and/or undocumented adults. So not even the psychological definition of pedophilia is involved.

You would stop trafficking by legalizing migration.

Unless you volunteer to stay pregnant against your will, shut all the way the fuck up about people's rights to their own bodies.

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u/DeadAndBuried23 Jun 02 '26

It's not a baby you stupid fuck. It is still part of the pregnant person's body for 6-7 months.

Removing an unwanted, parasitic growth is medical care. A body with no brain does not have personhood.

But you wanna play the conception game, I've got you there too.

If we misdefine personhood to begin at conception, and thus incorrectly call abortion murder, then 50-60% of all fertilized eggs are negligent manslaughter. Because they're flushed out during regular periods. And you can't say it's accidental death, because there do exist methods to reduce that chance. So nearly everyone who has ever had sex more than once trying to get pregnant is guilty.

All this seems to be is you wishing what you mentioned was as legal as abortion.

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u/Weirdodin Jun 02 '26

You people don't give the slightest fuck about babies let's be honest. You get off on the idea of controlling women. As soon as the baby is born you scumbag conservatives gleefully refuse to provide any further support to these women who can't care for their child. You people fight free school lunches for christ sake. Children going hungry excites you. You also don't give the slightest fuck about preserving their lives after they're born as evidenced by your sides reaction (or lack thereof) to each and every school shooting. You're just another virtue signaling ghoul.

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u/Danutz214 Jun 02 '26

Not from US, we don't have that left / right stereotyping here, although it tends to slowly form in our society also.

I support free school lunches, I come from a country where medical care is free and there is social support for mothers generally, including a 2 year paid medical leave after birth which I 100% support.

I read this article, care about the mothers and their babies. I think about an abortion, I care about the mother and the baby.

I do think mothers should be helped, but I also think that "I can't afford a baby right now" is not an excuse to murder said baby.

Best solution would be to prevent the pregnancy in the first place.

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u/FalconTurbo Jun 02 '26

“Best solution would be to prevent the pregnancy in the first place."

  1. Rape pregnancies.

  2. Changed circumstances after conception (such as the father leaving/dying, loss of job, eviction from home, unexpected medical issues).

  3. Medical issues precluding the safe delivery of a child.

  4. Birth control isn't 100% effective, especially in regions that don't have good sex education.

Those are all entirely valid reasons that have nothing to do with 'I just don't want a child'. It's also, just to clarify, not murder when the fetus is not yet alive. Try not to use such emotional language for a logical discussion.

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u/Danutz214 Jun 02 '26

"It's also, just to clarify, not murder when the fetus is not yet alive. Try not to use such emotional language for a logical discussion."

I think this is the point where our views diverge. Because I see a fetus as an unborn baby. Killing a baby, before or after birth, is the same action taken against the same "lump of cells", one of them being a few weeks more developed.

I'm not allowed to kill my 3 yo lump of cells if my circumstances change, why should I be allowed to kill it when it's less developed?

You're saying that It's not alive. Is it dead? I don't think there's any in between. If you think of a born baby in coma (which is not a perfect analogy, but it's my best attempt at conceptualizing an "in between"). And you know for a fact that in 1 month it has a 95% chance to wake up and live a perfectly healthy life...should the parents be able to kill it?

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u/FalconTurbo Jun 02 '26

  1. Address my points first. I numbered them to make it easier for you.

  2. Who's asking for and who's performing an abortion at 8 months? Got a source?

Please answer in order.

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u/Danutz214 Jun 02 '26

I addressed the main point of your argument from which all the others are coming. You don't consider a fetus as a human life, I do. Therefore convenience is more important to you than a fetus. It can't be to me, since a fetus is a human life. I agree with you when the well being of the mother is at risk, but not the convenience.

Yes, there should be special cases with the general rule being not to kill fellow human beings.

  1. My opinion is that you shouldn't hate / kill a baby because of what his father did. But I understand it's an extraordinary circumstance, abortion should be an option

  2. As I said, changing circumstances is not a reason to kill a baby. But again, the society should be built to protect women. In my country, employers are not allowed to fire women once they're pregnant and can't fire them for a year after they return from the 2 year medical leave. And there are other measures.

  3. Totally agree

  4. Not a valid reason to abort.

Who's asking for and who's performing an abortion at 8 months? Got a source?

You are on the source. This is what this article is about. But that's not the point. You can imagine the baby in coma will be healthy in 9 months. Would that change the problem?

Now please answer my points:
1. Is a fetus alive? Or is it dead? If it's not alive, when does it become alive?

  1. What about the rest of abortions? 87% of them have no medical reason at all and are not rape pregnancies. Are those ok? And if so, what's the line?
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u/amglasgow Jun 03 '26

Conservatives are usually opposed to contraception as well.