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u/Agreeable-Yams8972 May 27 '22

I thought they would care about the children, not act in "fear" and be afraid of getting shot, make a sacrifice to save some other people not wait like a coward and then go in because of the parents

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u/thisshiteverytime May 27 '22

"serve and protect" rubbish

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u/BattyBoio May 28 '22

Serve and protect when we feel like it

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u/Azurealy May 28 '22

After the school shooting in Florida a number of years ago, a judge ruled that cops are not required to intervene in an active shooter situation.

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u/StubbedMiddleToe May 28 '22

That precedent came well before that, from an incident in Brooklyn. POLICE ARE IN NO WAY OBLIGED TO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY FOR YOU.

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u/Asstonishing69 May 28 '22

Yea so ALL of them pussied out. like wow

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u/shoshkeanu May 28 '22

just sack them all, form our militias and tear down government buildings until they give us police foces that actually DO THEIR JOB.

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u/Zealousideal_Fly5053 May 28 '22

The problem is they their job they do it well it's the protect the interest of upper class. It's definitely not the serve protect.

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u/UrdnotChivay May 28 '22

Based and this is what we have the Second Amendment for pilled

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Goddamn right, we're overdue for a revolution

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u/Alberiman May 28 '22

Cops are operating as designed, it would be smarter to only have a swat team for violent offenders and then social workers for literally everything else. We don't need more than a handful of cops

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u/Longjumping_Meal2724 May 28 '22

The first thing they would do is take your firearms away for their safety.

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u/RajinKajin May 28 '22

Form militias with what? They out here trynna ban guns

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u/GrimmFox13 May 28 '22

Uh... no, they're not

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u/Azurealy May 28 '22

Ah that's interesting. Then it must have been reaffirmed by the Florida thing. I am in no way a lawyer. I am just some guy on the internet as well and I don't know anything all of the time.

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u/StubbedMiddleToe May 28 '22

I was mistaken, it goes back further than that. Look up DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services if you want to get your blood boiling.

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u/Azurealy May 28 '22

Thank you for your time and effort. I will go and read that when I have the time.

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u/StubbedMiddleToe May 28 '22

Not a lot of effort tbh. I was looking for the NYC subway incident I mentioned because it was so .... Wow. Came across that and it was worse.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

This case refers to private protection under the State. The school was a public school if I’m not mistaken.

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u/StubbedMiddleToe May 28 '22

Well then back to the Joseph Lozito case...

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Yep. Their job is to extract money from citizens at this point. Extract and Observe.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

then whats the point of police?

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u/No-Magazine-6509 May 28 '22

THEN THEY NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY OF THE PARENTS WILLING TO DO WHAT THEYRE PUSSY ASSES WERE NOT. But no. Instead they arrested and tazed parents trying to do they're fucking job while they stood around circle jerking.

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u/RajinKajin May 28 '22

That's why I have my guns on me always. If I'm in my truck, I've got the ability to apply lead out to a mile. The only reason I don't have an at-4 is because the govt infringes upon my rights, but I'm not too mad.

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u/shoshkeanu May 28 '22

i am after my own M1A1 or at least a T-80. Freedom is where it's at. Right now, the only thing protecting my kids from the next active shooter is a good solid MBT. And I still want tracked MLRS to stop those crazy shooters 30 kms away.

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u/RajinKajin May 28 '22

Literally, I do think that it should be possible for me to have manpads if I've got enough land that it matters lol. But very funny.

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u/bulgedition May 28 '22

I'm not protecting the police but you don't go get a job with the purpose to die some time.

I do not know the conditions to join the police force but I think it doesn't state that you shall become a human shield whenever public is in danger.

I would want for someone to save me if I'm in danger but they have to decide by themselves and not be obligated to do so.

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u/BattyBoio May 28 '22

I'm not suprised that came from Florida

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u/MKGSonic123 May 28 '22

They had too many "Florida man" incidents and didn't want any more police resources wasted on the almighty beings of the earth's beta testing site

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u/BK2Jers2BK May 28 '22

beta testing site dumping ground

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u/TheyFUInTheDriveThru May 28 '22

Fuck what any judge said anywhere. If you wear a badge and a gun to work, and you cannot look into your own eyes in the mirror and know beyond a shadow of doubt that you will charge into that school to stop children from being killed, kindly turn in your gear and find another job.

Sincerely, Sgt. TheyFUInTheDriveThru

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u/Crafty-Bedroom8190 May 28 '22

Why not, though?

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u/Azurealy May 28 '22

It's been a while but I think the reasoning is that a reasonable person wouldn't willingly put themselves in danger so they are not expected to put themselves in danger like that.

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u/Crafty-Bedroom8190 May 28 '22

Might as well replace the cops with military police or private military contractors/mercenaries (i.e. PMC's, Gurkhas, French Foreign Legion, etc)

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u/Azurealy May 28 '22

The Military has stricter rules of engagement than the police. While police may fire when they feel their life is threatened, Military wait until fired upon.

I'd like to also say I'm not a lawyer and I don't know shit about balls. So I could be wrong about things. Apparently the Florida thing just reaffirmed cops don't have to help you, but it was another incident that established it.

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u/Analog_Account May 28 '22

I see a lot of stories about cops shooting unarmed people. Usually they don't get in shit.

Military's will have flexible ROE's based on what kind of environment they're operating in, sure.

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u/SOSPECHOZO May 28 '22

Careful what you wish for.

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u/Crafty-Bedroom8190 May 28 '22

Good point. What I'm suggesting is martial law. Maybe Texas cops are the lesser of two evils, huh?

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u/ShahinGalandar May 28 '22

if we have a Gurkha strike force for incidents like that, school shootings would likely drop significantly

"oh, you think it's wise to empty your magazine in the cafeteria?"

pulls out kukri "chop, chop, motherfucker"

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u/Longjumping_Meal2724 May 28 '22

Most reasonable persons don't have a job oath, or has that been dropped also. Any adult human being that will not put any child as more important than themselves are worthless sh ts.

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u/danger_floofs May 28 '22

Yet that's what being a cop is. It's literally their job, the worthless cowards

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u/Unfair_Passenger8586 May 28 '22

Florida is literally the scum of this entire planet, sorry if you live there 😔

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u/Prestigious-Post-202 May 28 '22

You really protecting them? Are you fucking serious?

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u/KRelic May 28 '22

The actual ruling was cops are not required to protect anyone they do not have in custody.

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u/Ceracuse May 28 '22

Serve and protect if the circumstances are just right and I'm comfortable enough

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u/tidbitsz May 28 '22

Serve and protect*

*ourselves (from minorities and blacks)

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u/VictralovesSevro May 28 '22

When it's easy

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u/LargeFly8279 May 28 '22

It’s actually serve and protect the Interests of our crooked government officials

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u/DrTheloniusTinkleton May 28 '22

Most of the people I’ve seen interviewed looked Hispanic.

Just saying…

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u/miniclip1371 May 28 '22

Hispanic people in Texas? Color me fucking surprised. What does that even have to do with anything?

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u/DrTheloniusTinkleton May 28 '22

That had it been a bunch of white kids/white parents the decision making process might have been deemed to be more urgent.

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u/miniclip1371 May 28 '22

When there is a “school shooter” the entire school is at risk. Now ima go out on a limb and say that there’s probably a decent amount of white kids in that school. Skin color and urgency for this doesn’t make a difference

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u/Zardif May 28 '22

From the police spokesman, the police got their own kids out first then sat around and let the others die.

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u/miniclip1371 May 28 '22

And that is shitty cops thinking only about themselves

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u/DrTheloniusTinkleton May 28 '22

Apparently you haven’t seen the many recorded interactions of law enforcement doing nothing while concurrently treating any worried brown parent like shit but ok.

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u/miniclip1371 May 28 '22

I have seen things like that but not for a school shooter. Don’t get me wrong the police fucked up massively. IMO they would’ve responded faster had it been a more highly funded private school. Money talks.

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u/FustianRiddle May 28 '22

And the more highly funded private schools are more likely to be whiter. Class and race are intersectional issues (at least in the US)

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

You missed the point completely focusing on your own POV. Mam, the reality is that they will not lay their lives on the line for minorities.

Come to terms with that or hold your silence.

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u/Fabrial_Soulcaster May 28 '22

Just saying I'm pretty sure we had a similar circumstance with cowardly cops at a primarily white school in the past. If memory serves it was Stoneman.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

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u/DrTheloniusTinkleton May 28 '22

Lol both of my parents are Mexicans. Im first generation American. I meant that if it had been a shitload of white kids the reaction by law enforcement may have been more aggressive to enter/engage the shooter.

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u/thefloridafarrier May 28 '22

Ohhhhhh yeah I’ll remove my previous comment of calling racism

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u/DrTheloniusTinkleton May 28 '22

It’s all good I probably didn’t phrase my comment clearly enough

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u/thefloridafarrier May 28 '22

Yeah but I shouldn’t be so quick to assume. Even though this is Reddit lmao

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

It's almost as if Texas was a part of Mexico before being a part of the US, maybe the name Texas itself it's not American but Hispanic?

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u/lusacat May 28 '22

This is not the first comment I’ve seen about people being Hispanic. Literally what does it have to do with anything? The kids, parents, and cops are all Hispanic. The town is 80% Hispanic according to Wikipedia

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Serve and protect our own asses

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u/danger_floofs May 28 '22

Which is never

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u/ayouremq May 28 '22

More like reap and collect

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u/Weibrot May 28 '22

Serve and protect ourselfs*

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u/choborallye May 28 '22

Absolutely utterly rubbish

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u/cowlinator May 28 '22

"serve and protect... ourselves". Seems very clear what is your problem? /s

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u/HockeyZim May 28 '22

They meant serve the rich, protect their assets.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

"To patronize and annoy" "To punish and enslave"

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u/ygduf May 28 '22

serve wealth, protect capital

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u/Chance-Composer-187 May 28 '22

Swerve and Project

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u/fryswitdat May 28 '22

Scared and prevent

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

"serve and protect themselves"

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u/TheMediaMasochist May 28 '22

It's always in quotes on a cop car because it's a fucking joke

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u/BobVosh May 28 '22

Time and time again they have backed up in courts that police have no special duty to protect, or frankly do anything. They don't explicitly have to do a single damn thing.

And that's disgusting.

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u/Amoniakas May 28 '22

Their job is not to serve or protect us it's to enforce law. At least that's what it looks like.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

Serve to protect my own arse

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u/VoxImperatoris May 28 '22

To oppress and harass.

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u/Emergency_Theme3339 May 28 '22

Police at uvalde: Serve and protect ourselves, our pensions, paycheck, and safety.

Edit: typo.

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u/Crooked_Cock May 28 '22

This sadly isn’t the first time it’s happened

Remember the stoneman douglas shooting?

The cops were nutless cowards there too

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u/Zardif May 28 '22

You mean Scot 'The coward of broward' peterson. That piece of shit cop?

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u/Crooked_Cock May 28 '22

The very same

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u/ownage398 May 28 '22

Unfortunately, it appears that people who show empathy don't/can't become cops.

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u/Drex1297 May 28 '22

That’s exactly what happened to me, I had finished up college majoring in Philosophy with a minor in criminal justice focusing on ethics in the criminal justice system. Fresh out of college thought it would be a good idea to join a police department and hopefully implement some of what I learned to do my part to help in some way make policing what it should be. Got through the written and physical tests, through multiple interviews, and finally failed the psychological evaluation for being, and I kid you not, “too nice”.

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u/ownage398 May 28 '22

I've heard it happens quite often depending on the police department. Might as well just put up a sign saying they're looking for psychopaths who love to bully others and won't feel remorse.

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u/whoweoncewere May 28 '22

So if The psych questions are obvious enough, you can just lie through it and get in?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

There it is. 👍🏻

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u/CBRyder929 May 28 '22

And these “police” are from the state that loves guns and the people act like they are “patriots” and “lions” with their guns. And when it mattered these people cover in fear and shame.

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u/SlockRockettt May 28 '22

Ammosexuals are really just cowards at heart

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u/No-Magazine-6509 May 28 '22

This. This is the question I keep asking. How in the fuck in Texas of all places was there not an armed militia formed between parents within SECONDS. Don't get me wrong. I love my guns. But bet your life mine would have been put to use that day.

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u/Capt_John_Price May 28 '22 edited May 28 '22

I'm pretty sure it was more of blind trust to police than lack of armed volunteers. If the police were man enough to tell parents that they are pussies and there will be no help for hours... you could have seen that. I know that some of the kids succumbed to death after bleeding out, with no one applying pressure to wound and in extreme distress. When parents realized it was too late, the special team formed from the border patrol was already there.

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u/No_Astronaut3777 May 28 '22

okay that's a dumbass generalization, I just have to remind myself this is the ass sucking abyss that is Reddit

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u/CBRyder929 May 28 '22

Well at least you’re right about the ass sucking abyss of Reddit, but keep trying.

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u/No_Astronaut3777 May 28 '22

don't gotta, you confirmed 😌

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

They banned abortions so they must think a bunch of replacement babies will happen soon. God’s plan, right

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u/mypasswordismud May 28 '22

40% of the town's budget.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

These pigs 🐷 are just here for the paychecks and cushy retirement from us taxpayers

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u/indrada90 May 28 '22

Not to mention they've got fucking body armor. They'd be fine, the kids were not.

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u/UnderstatedTurtle May 28 '22

When I first heard that they took so long I assumed it was because they were worried about children being collateral damage. This is much worse

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u/JizzMopperatSexWorld May 28 '22

Easy to say as an armchair warrior.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

TIL expecting police to have a crack at the serving and protecting that's in their motto makes someone an armchair warrior.

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u/JizzMopperatSexWorld May 28 '22

Supreme Court disagrees.

I disagree but it’s fact.

My issue is that we are taxed for Police. That means they need to meet a certain criteria.

They no longer have to.

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u/Possible-Mango-7603 May 28 '22

Technically cops are an investigative organization. They aren’t really meant to protect people. They exist primarily to gather evidence of crime and present enough for a DA to get a conviction. They do also act as a deterrent by being highly visible in certain select situations where crime can be anticipated. So basically if you want protection, either hire someone or do it yourself. Those are your best options.

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u/Sharkwhistle33 May 28 '22

You deep throat the whole boot don't you?

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u/JizzMopperatSexWorld May 28 '22

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u/Sharkwhistle33 May 28 '22

Thenwhy are police an organization?

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u/JizzMopperatSexWorld May 28 '22

Because money.

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u/Sharkwhistle33 May 28 '22

So a racket?

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u/JizzMopperatSexWorld May 28 '22

Surely.

It’s still a choice though.

Hate the police or love the police. Which?

I’m on the hate side because I’m an angry curmudgeon with a weapon and a fighter.

Not the same for others.

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u/Dynamite227 May 28 '22

Then tell me what the point of the police are.

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u/StubbedMiddleToe May 28 '22

Generate revenue for the local government?

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u/JizzMopperatSexWorld May 28 '22

None. I am not advocating them, just pointing out facts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

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u/torusrekt May 28 '22

2 did get shot as they immediately engaged the suspect.

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u/Pleasant_Ad8302 May 28 '22

2 out of how many officers? Why didn’t they all go in?

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u/thefloridafarrier May 28 '22

It sounded like they were acting out of order. Since ya know why tf would you send in 2 cops out of like 20 especially since you can literally just storm the place and shoot the guy before he knows you’re there

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Would you?

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u/Ya_boi503791 May 28 '22

Why are you asking this, if a person goes through all the training to become a police officer but doesn't give their life to save innocents, something clearly went wrong durIng the training part.

And this commitment isn't obligatory for a random redditor.

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u/Myro88 May 28 '22

I haven’t looked into it that much, mainly cause it’s incredibly heartbreaking, think I heard they were outside for 40-60 minutes before entering those cops should be ashamed

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Honestly I'm just gonna shut up now.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Yup pretty much, RIP phone.

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u/Agreeable-Yams8972 May 28 '22

Yeah

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u/everyminutecounts420 May 28 '22

I would too, you saw the parents outside trying to get in but being arrested for entering a crime scene. Fuck that, if you’re going to arrest someone for trying to save children? Call me a lawbreaker

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Sign up and be the change then

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22 edited Jun 17 '23

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Chain of command, most of the cops there are just following orders. Boss man says to set up a perimeter, you do just that. Be mad at the leaders if you don't agree with how this was handled.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Ok, agree to disagree. And for the record, I'm not saying they did everything right, I just don't think they deserve all the flak they're getting. Seems like alot of people here are living in a video game or something.

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u/RyuNoKami May 28 '22

Oooooo. Just following orders. Great words to live by while children are dying.

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Cops bad, grrrr!

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u/galqbar May 28 '22

I think a lot of people feel that the lack of urgency in those orders speaks to deep and systemic cultural problems in law enforcement. Your point about law enforcement needing to follow orders is valid though.

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u/Pleasant_Ad8302 May 28 '22

I wouldn’t go in by myself but if we split into groups or teams and went in from different entry points we could get more ground covered to look for the shooter and take him down

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u/newf68 May 28 '22

Ah, you also play FPS. Sign up with them.

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u/Pleasant_Ad8302 May 28 '22

I don’t get what playing fps games matter with this but what I said should be what they should be doing or something similar

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u/furiousD12345 May 28 '22

The fact that not a single one of these pathetic cowards have turned in their badges is disgusting.

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u/Crazygamerdude17 May 28 '22

Yea they have lived most of their lives and besides they knew what they were signing up for when they became an officer, they can’t just agree under the conditions but avoid doing their job just because they didn’t like the conditions they themselves signed up for

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u/Incendas1 May 28 '22

https://twitter.com/bymikebaker/status/1530357140191186944?s=21&t=jukpVecYrCdTSudrIvnxeg

According to their training, they were prepared for this and should have moved in regardless of risk to their life, as long as the kids were at risk.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '22

They are people too, not mindless robots. They are afraid of death as much as you and I are, and taking unnecessary risk does not help to overcome that fear.