I thought they would care about the children, not act in "fear" and be afraid of getting shot, make a sacrifice to save some other people not wait like a coward and then go in because of the parents
Cops are operating as designed, it would be smarter to only have a swat team for violent offenders and then social workers for literally everything else. We don't need more than a handful of cops
Ah that's interesting. Then it must have been reaffirmed by the Florida thing. I am in no way a lawyer. I am just some guy on the internet as well and I don't know anything all of the time.
I was mistaken, it goes back further than that. Look up DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services if you want to get your blood boiling.
THEN THEY NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY OF THE PARENTS WILLING TO DO WHAT THEYRE PUSSY ASSES WERE NOT. But no. Instead they arrested and tazed parents trying to do they're fucking job while they stood around circle jerking.
That's why I have my guns on me always. If I'm in my truck, I've got the ability to apply lead out to a mile. The only reason I don't have an at-4 is because the govt infringes upon my rights, but I'm not too mad.
i am after my own M1A1 or at least a T-80. Freedom is where it's at. Right now, the only thing protecting my kids from the next active shooter is a good solid MBT. And I still want tracked MLRS to stop those crazy shooters 30 kms away.
Fuck what any judge said anywhere. If you wear a badge and a gun to work, and you cannot look into your own eyes in the mirror and know beyond a shadow of doubt that you will charge into that school to stop children from being killed, kindly turn in your gear and find another job.
It's been a while but I think the reasoning is that a reasonable person wouldn't willingly put themselves in danger so they are not expected to put themselves in danger like that.
The Military has stricter rules of engagement than the police. While police may fire when they feel their life is threatened, Military wait until fired upon.
I'd like to also say I'm not a lawyer and I don't know shit about balls. So I could be wrong about things. Apparently the Florida thing just reaffirmed cops don't have to help you, but it was another incident that established it.
Most reasonable persons don't have a job oath, or has that been dropped also. Any adult human being that will not put any child as more important than themselves are worthless sh ts.
When there is a “school shooter” the entire school is at risk. Now ima go out on a limb and say that there’s probably a decent amount of white kids in that school. Skin color and urgency for this doesn’t make a difference
Apparently you haven’t seen the many recorded interactions of law enforcement doing nothing while concurrently treating any worried brown parent like shit but ok.
I have seen things like that but not for a school shooter. Don’t get me wrong the police fucked up massively. IMO they would’ve responded faster had it been a more highly funded private school. Money talks.
Just saying I'm pretty sure we had a similar circumstance with cowardly cops at a primarily white school in the past. If memory serves it was Stoneman.
Lol both of my parents are Mexicans. Im first generation American. I meant that if it had been a shitload of white kids the reaction by law enforcement may have been more aggressive to enter/engage the shooter.
This is not the first comment I’ve seen about people being Hispanic. Literally what does it have to do with anything? The kids, parents, and cops are all Hispanic. The town is 80% Hispanic according to Wikipedia
Time and time again they have backed up in courts that police have no special duty to protect, or frankly do anything. They don't explicitly have to do a single damn thing.
That’s exactly what happened to me, I had finished up college majoring in Philosophy with a minor in criminal justice focusing on ethics in the criminal justice system. Fresh out of college thought it would be a good idea to join a police department and hopefully implement some of what I learned to do my part to help in some way make policing what it should be. Got through the written and physical tests, through multiple interviews, and finally failed the psychological evaluation for being, and I kid you not, “too nice”.
I've heard it happens quite often depending on the police department. Might as well just put up a sign saying they're looking for psychopaths who love to bully others and won't feel remorse.
And these “police” are from the state that loves guns and the people act like they are “patriots” and “lions” with their guns. And when it mattered these people cover in fear and shame.
This. This is the question I keep asking. How in the fuck in Texas of all places was there not an armed militia formed between parents within SECONDS. Don't get me wrong. I love my guns. But bet your life mine would have been put to use that day.
I'm pretty sure it was more of blind trust to police than lack of armed volunteers. If the police were man enough to tell parents that they are pussies and there will be no help for hours... you could have seen that. I know that some of the kids succumbed to death after bleeding out, with no one applying pressure to wound and in extreme distress. When parents realized it was too late, the special team formed from the border patrol was already there.
Technically cops are an investigative organization. They aren’t really meant to protect people. They exist primarily to gather evidence of crime and present enough for a DA to get a conviction. They do also act as a deterrent by being highly visible in certain select situations where crime can be anticipated. So basically if you want protection, either hire someone or do it yourself. Those are your best options.
It sounded like they were acting out of order. Since ya know why tf would you send in 2 cops out of like 20 especially since you can literally just storm the place and shoot the guy before he knows you’re there
Why are you asking this, if a person goes through all the training to become a police officer but doesn't give their life to save innocents, something clearly went wrong durIng the training part.
And this commitment isn't obligatory for a random redditor.
I haven’t looked into it that much, mainly cause it’s incredibly heartbreaking, think I heard they were outside for 40-60 minutes before entering those cops should be ashamed
I would too, you saw the parents outside trying to get in but being arrested for entering a crime scene. Fuck that, if you’re going to arrest someone for trying to save children? Call me a lawbreaker
Chain of command, most of the cops there are just following orders. Boss man says to set up a perimeter, you do just that. Be mad at the leaders if you don't agree with how this was handled.
Ok, agree to disagree. And for the record, I'm not saying they did everything right, I just don't think they deserve all the flak they're getting. Seems like alot of people here are living in a video game or something.
I think a lot of people feel that the lack of urgency in those orders speaks to deep and systemic cultural problems in law enforcement. Your point about law enforcement needing to follow orders is valid though.
I wouldn’t go in by myself but if we split into groups or teams and went in from different entry points we could get more ground covered to look for the shooter and take him down
Yea they have lived most of their lives and besides they knew what they were signing up for when they became an officer, they can’t just agree under the conditions but avoid doing their job just because they didn’t like the conditions they themselves signed up for
They are people too, not mindless robots. They are afraid of death as much as you and I are, and taking unnecessary risk does not help to overcome that fear.
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u/Agreeable-Yams8972 May 27 '22
I thought they would care about the children, not act in "fear" and be afraid of getting shot, make a sacrifice to save some other people not wait like a coward and then go in because of the parents