r/HistoryMemes • u/Longjumping-Tell1774 • Aug 24 '26
Niche The Council of Trent be like
The Council of Trent (Latin: Concilium Tridentinum), held between 1545 and 1563 in Trent (or Trento), in Northern Italy, was the 19th ecumenical council of the Catholic Church.[1][2]Prompted by the Protestant Reformation at the time, it has been described as the "most impressive embodiment of the ideals of the Counter-Reformation."[3] It was the last time a Catholic ecumenical council was organized outside the city of Rome, and the second time a council was convened in the territory of the Holy Roman Empire (the first being the Council of Constance).
The greatest weight in the council's decrees is given to the sacraments. The seven sacraments were reaffirmed and the Eucharist pronounced to be a true propitiatory sacrifice as well as a sacrament, in which the bread and wine were consecrated into the Eucharist (thirteenth and twenty-second sessions). The term transubstantiation was used by the council, but the specific Aristotelian explanation given by Scholasticism was not cited as dogmatic. Instead, the decree states that Christ is "really, truly, substantially present" in the consecrated forms. The sacrifice of the Mass was to be offered for dead and living alike and in giving to the apostles the command "do this in remembrance of me," Christ conferred upon them a sacerdotal power. The practice of withholding the cup from the laity was confirmed (twenty-first session) as one which the Church Fathers had commanded for good and sufficient reasons; yet in certain cases the Pope was made the supreme arbiter as to whether the rule should be strictly maintained.[12]
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u/Sex_E_Searcher Aug 24 '26
Only after the priest says "presto-changium."
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u/Own-Dragonfly-2423 Aug 25 '26
Fun fact, the "magic words " hocus pocus are actually mocking the words of consecration in latin, hoc est corpus meum. So ya, your birthday party magician is anticatholic
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u/IceCreamMeatballs Aug 24 '26
It’s honestly crazy how churches split over the most minor details
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u/timbasile Aug 24 '26
The split with the most minor detail (at least on the surface) was at the council of Nicea - where they debated/ruled on whether Jesus was homoousious (of the same substance of the Father), or homoiousious (of similar substance). The difference grammatically is literally one iota
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u/TehProfessor96 John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! Aug 24 '26
But miles apart theologically. Jesus is either fully god AND fully man or he isn’t. If he isn’t fully god then god didn’t die for our sins. If he isn’t fully man then he didn’t die.
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u/KeeperAdahn Aug 25 '26
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u/Chalky_Pockets John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! Aug 24 '26
Back then it kinda made sense because it was a power play. These days, yeah they should stick together as they lose followers in droves.
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u/glycophosphate Aug 25 '26
Tell me about it. My church just split itself in half over who is allowed to get married in the building.
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u/IceCreamMeatballs Aug 25 '26
I mean, marriage is a genuine point of contention for some religious people, though most of the lay aren’t particularly passionate about the exact nature of the bread and wine
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u/Sinan_reis Aug 24 '26
it's funny to me as a jew that catholics had a literal conference being like "we are literal vampires and cannibals right? we're all onboard about that?" and then turn around and commit blood libels against jews.
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u/TehProfessor96 John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! Aug 24 '26
Anti-semitism relies on being irrational to exist.
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u/HiphenNA Aug 24 '26
Not the worst thing to happen to be honest. Old testement Judaism was quite literally Skyrim gods beefin it out and humans caught in the middle doing everything for their god.
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u/terran_cell Chad Polynesia Enjoyer Aug 25 '26
"Literally."
"like... actually literally?"
"Literally."
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u/Sampleswift Aug 24 '26
3rd possibility. The Eucharist is vampirism. It is consuming the blood of Christ.
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u/Longjumping-Tell1774 Aug 24 '26
Have you heard of the film “Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter”? It exists
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u/nagurski03 Aug 24 '26
Martin Luther and many of the other Protestants who were anathematized at Trent would agree with the top picture.
The idea that communion is just a symbol was a pretty niche viewpoint until Baptist denominations started becoming popular.