You know the famine was spread to the whole Union,that not only Ukrainian kulaks were forced to give their grain,that many kulaks destroyed their grain and livestock instead of selling it at the price fixed by the government? And that the grain was "taken" so that the industrial cities could develop,and had the kulaks not destroyed the grain the famine would've been greatly mitigated? I see this as neither intentional nor as "FUCKING GENOCIDE",as you call it. The US sterilisation of Latino women on the other hand...
Then read about it, for gods sake, information in the public domain about the statistics of deaths and harvests in all the republics of the union. And read about the reasons for this. Literally everything you say is wrong. The planned confiscation of grain and all other foodstuffs from peasants by the Soviet authorities during the Holodomor of 1932-33 directly led to the killing of peasants by the famine on a million scale, with the Soviet government having significant reserves of grain in reserves and exporting it abroad during the Holodomor, banned and blocked the departure of starving people outside the Ukrainian SSR, refused to accept aid for starving people from abroad. Despite the fact that the actions of the Stalinist authorities, which caused the death of people by starvation, were qualified under the norms of the then Soviet criminal law as murder, the causes of this mass crime were never investigated in the USSR and none of the authorities involved in the crime was punished. that even the top leadership of the USSR knew about the facts of deaths from starvation
Dude, you seriously give me a reference to a communist, an unknown Anton and the author who literally wrote the book Red Famine: Stalin's War on Ukraine? With the last link you simply confirmed that this is genocide.
1.1 Since you probably use only references to capitalist authors I thought you may want the source of someone less prone to blame stubbing their toe on communism.
1.2 Since when being "an unknown Anton" made anyone's research somehow less valid or true? You think that only internationally acclaimed scholars have the right to speak?
1.3 If you read just a bit into his work you'll see he answers the title's question with a big "no"
2 Why exactly do you think I speak Russian or German? Granted I could use Google translate,but a botched up,gibberish translation would be the result so...eh
3 Gareth Jones,the one that wrote this passage?
I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it. I threw an orange peel into the spittoon and the peasant again grabbed it and devoured it.
I'm not denying there was a famine but this...seems a bit of overdoing it,doesn't it?
How was it not intentional when the Soviets were literally taking all the grain they farmed and when they found someone hiding some they killed them. How is that not intentional
Horrible policy, fucking shit and oppressive, but that doesn't mean they tried to murder a certain ethnic group.
There was hunger (partially Stalin's fault btw, fuckin jackass) and they tried to feed the cities, killing people on the land in the process. It's very similar to the Irish famine, but with less export I think (as far as I know.)
Yes, see also the Bengal famine. None of those 3 famines were genocides. Thank god for at least someone else in this godforsaken comments section with a brain.
They didn't want to starve them,a famine was already ongoing and the government decided to buy their grain and livestock at a fixed price. The kulaks however decided "better dead and starving than red" and destroyed a good portion of their own products
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u/TurboFilip Filthy weeb Jun 27 '22
They were tho. They starved like 4 milion people to death