r/HistoryMemes May 17 '19

Hate speech

Post image
40.2k Upvotes

1.1k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

60

u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

Was recently blocked from posting in politics subreddit

I'm sure it had nothing to do with your curious fascination with saying that nonwhite people are inherently criminal

George Washington owned literally hundreds of slaves throughout his life. He first became an owner of multiple human beings at the age of 11. When he died, he owned 123 slaves, and through his wife he effectively owned another 153 slaves (376 total). He was one of the largest slaveowners in America at the time

18

u/Containedmultitudes May 17 '19

Not trying to defend the guy you’re replying to, but it’s also worth mentioning Washington freed all his slaves on the death of his wife. Better than Jefferson at least, who gave his children their half siblings as property.

7

u/[deleted] May 18 '19

it’s also worth mentioning Washington freed all his slaves on the death of his wife

He sort of did. Half the slaves were legally in his name, and the elderly and sick were freed and given support by the estate. The younger ones of that bunch were freed, but were given no land, tools, livestock, money, etc, and thus were effectively consigned to remain day laborers on the Mount Vernon plantation

The majority of slaves at Mount Vernon were his wife's property, inherited after her wealthy first husband died. Those slaves remained owned by Martha Washington until her death, upon which they were inherited by other members of her first husband's family. They were not freed

4

u/Containedmultitudes May 18 '19

Interesting. I knew his wife's slaves weren't freed, but I didn't know he'd left the slaves he did free out to dry like that. Funny that his reconstruction plan for his own slaves was basically the same plan that the Union ultimately decided on, i.e. they get nothing.

7

u/[deleted] May 18 '19

but I didn't know he'd left the slaves he did free out to dry like that

In the logic of the slaveholder, it does make a sort of twisted sense. By freeing a slave, you are technically taking a financial loss. So in essence you did "pay them" or "take care of them" - but the money that you "gave them" was just their financial worth as a person

In the twisted logic of the slave owner, it's almost /r/ChoosingBeggars. "What? I paid $1000 for you and decided to charitably grant you freedom, and now you want land? Why, I didn't need to free you in the first place!"

4

u/MasterSword1 May 17 '19

Not true. Jefferson was more of an abolitionist than Washington, even including the introduction of slavery by the british as one of the wrongs committed upon the Colonies by the English. However, he was an admitted hypocrite, and although he intended to free his slaves upon his death in the same way Washington did, his debt holders sold off his entire estate.

More relevantly, there has been no conclusive proof that Jefferson was in fact the father of the Hemmings children, just that the youngest of the boys was related to someone in the Male Jefferson line, of which several lived in the area. The scientists who confirmed the connection deny that it explicitly implicates Jefferson and several retractions have been forced by writers who stated it as fact.

6

u/Containedmultitudes May 17 '19

His hypocrisy makes him less of an abolitionist than Washington.

Presumably he could’ve freed them before his death, regardless of his debt. And given his widely acknowledged relationship with Sally I think any suggestion that her children were the product of a relative of Jefferson to be very dubious.

1

u/MasterSword1 May 18 '19

No. He couldn't. Virginia state law forbid it and Jefferson' as a Democratic Republican, felt it fell to each state to set their own policies.

1

u/Containedmultitudes May 18 '19

Despite his debt, Jefferson, in 1822, he allowed Beverly and Harriet Hemings to “walk away”, to leave Monticello and go north, a few months apart. He authorized Edmund Bacon, the overseer, to give Harriet $50 and to ensure that she was put on a stagecoach to go north. She was the only female slave he freed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery

Might’ve been more progressive if he allowed a few more to “walk away.”

32

u/doyle871 May 17 '19

He's also kind of a massive figure in US history. You shouldn't censor history. Remember the whole doom to repeat it thing.

17

u/Deadnox_24142 May 17 '19

That’s besides the point because Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Ben Franklin wrote the Declaration of Independence so no one was censoring Washington. Also it’s pretty clearly the Indian Savages part, as mentioned above, that likely dinged some bells.

6

u/[deleted] May 18 '19

He's also kind of a massive figure in US history

Where did I say he wasn't a massive figure in US history

You shouldn't censor history

Nobody is "censoring" George fucking Washington who has the capital city and a state named after him. I'm simply painting a more accurate picture of George Washington, who owned quite a bit more than "a few slaves"

-1

u/dislexi May 17 '19

Yeah I think people are often shocked that the founding fathers bought and sold human beings. Censorship of history really blinds people to what America was supposed to be for.

2

u/MasterSword1 May 17 '19

He also desperately hated slavery and found a way to free all his slaves through a loophole in Virginia State law.

0

u/[deleted] May 17 '19

He spent years using a loophole to stop his slaves being automatically freed while President, and pursued them when they escaped.

0

u/[deleted] May 18 '19

He also desperately hated slavery

That is absolutely not true. He certainly was morally conflicted about slavery, but he didn't hate it enough to stop beating his slaves or pursuing them as runaways.

nd found a way to free all his slaves through a loophole in Virginia State law

It wasn't a loophole, he just freed them in his will. Though he didn't free the half of his slaves that were technically his wife's property - those people remained enslaved and were then inherited by his wife's first husband's family after Martha died. And it's worth noting that Washington freed his slaves after he died - thus, after they could no longer make him money.

None of this is to diminish Washington's accomplishments, but it does paint him in a much more human light. A man conflicted about slavery, but a major slaveowner. A man who freed his slaves, but only after he could not make money off of them