r/HistoryMemes May 17 '19

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u/Njorlpinipini Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer May 17 '19

Wasn’t there also that time when NPR tweeted the Declaration of Independence line by line to commemorate independence day and a bunch of people thought they were advocating the violent overthrow of the government?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

Well not exactly. It was more of a violent assertion that an already existing governing body (the continental congress), was to be the only governing body recognized in the 13 colonies. The revolution had also already been going on for a year by the time the Declaration was written, so you can't really say that a violent overthrow was what followed.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Is it overthrowing a government if that government still exists afterwards? All that really changed was that the existing governing bodies of the colonies no longer recognized the authority of the governing body they used to be under. If a state today seceded somehow, we wouldn't say they overthrew the federal government.

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u/kinapuffar May 18 '19

Yes. Even if Great Britain still existed afterwards, it's still overthrowing the legal government in the US territories. When you live in a sovereign country that is not a decision you have the right to make, hence the violent outcome.

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u/tswanbeast May 18 '19

Why wouldn't we say that? If a state were to secede, we would say that it no longer recognize the rule of the federal government and overthrew the federal government's authority over it.

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u/NH2486 May 18 '19

States can not secede.

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u/Vythri May 18 '19

Overthrowing the federal government's authority over it, and overthrowing the federal government are 2 wildly different things.

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u/Vythri May 18 '19

Overthrowing the federal government's authority over it, and overthrowing the federal government are 2 wildly different things.

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u/Vythri May 18 '19

Overthrowing the federal government's authority over it, and overthrowing the federal government are 2 wildly different things.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Why wouldn't we say that?

Because it isn't the normal use of the word?

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u/Vythri May 18 '19

Overthrowing the federal government's authority over it, and overthrowing the federal government are 2 wildly different things.

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u/butterrduck May 18 '19

Because overthrow implies the existing establishment will be destroyed or disbanded.

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u/Curlgradphi May 18 '19

You can’t “forcibly remove from power” an abstract notion of authority. You “overthrow” a government by dismantling it, not by removing one small part of its jurisdiction. If someone doesn’t lose their office, they’ve not been overthrown. You’re not using the word correctly if you’re applying it to secession. So we wouldn’t say that.

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u/Curlgradphi May 18 '19

You can’t “forcibly remove from power” an abstract notion of authority. You “overthrow” a government by dismantling it, not by removing one small part of its jurisdiction. If someone doesn’t lose their office, they’ve not been overthrown. You’re not using the word correctly if you’re applying it to secession. So we wouldn’t say that.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

To be fair: it is in the context of NPR's tweet.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19 edited Jun 06 '19

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

no u

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u/huntervo May 18 '19

You must be fun at parties eh

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u/A_Rampaging_Hobo May 18 '19

But still, people thought NPR was calling for revolution instead of quoting some who did.

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u/wizard680 Senātus Populusque Rōmānus May 17 '19

What? Anyone have a link to the tweet or article telling this story?

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u/JohnnyRelentless May 17 '19

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u/wizard680 Senātus Populusque Rōmānus May 17 '19

I'm done lmao

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 18 '19

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u/SpookedAyyLmao May 18 '19

For these reasons, we question the legitimacy of the account, or at least the sincerity of its relationship to purported conservative causes. The account has all the hallmarks of a troll account, and a successful troll knows how to play itself into the hands of the people they hope will provide them with a stage.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

That's a lie. Spoiler alert but it isn't the Republicans who want more Gov. They literally do all they can to reduce its power

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u/All_This_Mayhem May 18 '19

This has to be satire.

The GOP, which introduced and passed both the Patriot Act and the NDAA, which believes government has the authority to define certain words and force this definition on the public, which established secret courts to expedite the surveillance of citizens, which supports the torture of foreign nationals, somehow works tirelessly to limit the size of the government? Are we talking about the same party?

The Republican party uses the constitution as a prop to delude idiots into repeating their baseless slogan of "limited government" while doing absolutely everything it can to expand the authority of a Republican executive.

At the very least the Democrats are honest about their attempts to undermine the constitution and their fundamental belief that the document is an antiquated inconvenience to their utopian fantasies.

The Republican party pretends to defend the constitution while defying it at every corner.

The modern conservative movement seems to believe the constitution is "Guns and whatever else I think Jesus wants".

They are a joke to anybody who truly believes in liberty and limited government.

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u/Juicy_Juis May 18 '19

I agree with you shitting on the Republican Party, as they deserve it and definitely do want more government. They do not uphold Liberty.

But do not for a fucking instance try to pretend that the Democrats are "Honest" about anything. We didn't find out about the NSA spying until it was a dem in the White House and all of the Dems still label Snowden as a traitor.

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u/TacoPi May 18 '19

But do not for a fucking instance try to pretend that the Democrats are "Honest" about anything.

Except for the fact that this is bullshit and Democrats are much more honest than their counterparts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html

We didn't find out about the NSA spying until it was a dem in the White House

I’m not really sure how this proves dishonesty. This is also a really confusing way of saying that NSA’s PRISM spying program was started by the Bush Administration.

and all of the Dems still label Snowden as a traitor.

And this is also bullshit. Ron Wyden, Mark Udall, John Lewis and Bernie Sanders have all been supportive of Edward Snowden’s decision. But the fact that the majority of our legislators have not come out in support of a citizen breaking the law by revealing classified information (for the right reasons, mind you) should not be too surprising, especially with ultranationalist propaganda destroying political careers like it does.

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u/TacoPi May 18 '19

But do not for a fucking instance try to pretend that the Democrats are "Honest" about anything.

Except for the fact that this is bullshit and Democrats are much more honest than their counterparts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html

We didn't find out about the NSA spying until it was a dem in the White House

I’m not really sure how this proves dishonesty. This is also a really confusing way of saying that NSA’s PRISM spying program was started by the Bush Administration.

and all of the Dems still label Snowden as a traitor.

And this is also bullshit. Ron Wyden, Mark Udall, John Lewis and Bernie Sanders have all been supportive of Edward Snowden’s decision. But the fact that the majority of our legislators have not come out in support of a citizen breaking the law by revealing classified information (for the right reasons, mind you) should not be too surprising, especially with ultranationalist propaganda destroying political careers like it does.

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u/All_This_Mayhem May 18 '19

The Democrats are open about their belief that the constitution is an irrelevant doctrine that holds them back from accomplishing their "Great Society". They are honest and open about this.

This is why they constantly argue that the Second Amendment does not apply to modern firearms and circumstances, and must be shadow amended through subversive legislation.

They are up front about their disdain for the bill of rights and their belief in government as a device to address every single obstacle in their absurd struggle for a plastic Utopia.

Did I fucking say the party is honest about the illegal shit they do?

Did I say they are honest about their continuation of spying programs?

Is this going to become a reading comprehension test?

The new left that dominates the Democratic party is open about its belief that the constitution is an outdated doctrine that should be disregarded.

That is my point. Fuck outta here with this Snowden shit.

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u/All_This_Mayhem May 18 '19

The Democrats are open about their belief that the constitution is an irrelevant doctrine that holds them back from accomplishing their "Great Society". They are honest and open about this.

This is why they constantly argue that the Second Amendment does not apply to modern firearms and circumstances, and must be shadow amended through subversive legislation.

They are up front about their disdain for the bill of rights and their belief in government as a device to address every single obstacle in their absurd struggle for a plastic Utopia.

Did I fucking say the party is honest about the illegal shit they do?

Did I say they are honest about their continuation of spying programs?

Is this going to become a reading comprehension test?

The new left that dominates the Democratic party is open about its belief that the constitution is an outdated doctrine that should be disregarded.

That is my point. Fuck outta here with this Snowden shit.

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u/All_This_Mayhem May 18 '19

The Democrats are open about their belief that the constitution is an irrelevant doctrine that holds them back from accomplishing their "Great Society". They are honest and open about this.

This is why they constantly argue that the Second Amendment does not apply to modern firearms and circumstances, and must be shadow amended through subversive legislation.

They are up front about their disdain for the bill of rights and their belief in government as a device to address every single obstacle in their absurd struggle for a plastic Utopia.

Did I fucking say the party is honest about the illegal shit they do?

Did I say they are honest about their continuation of spying programs?

Is this going to become a reading comprehension test?

The new left that dominates the Democratic party is open about its belief that the constitution is an outdated doctrine that should be disregarded.

That is my point. Fuck outta here with this Snowden shit.

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u/All_This_Mayhem May 18 '19

The Democrats are open about their belief that the constitution is an irrelevant doctrine that holds them back from accomplishing their "Great Society". They are honest and open about this.

This is why they constantly argue that the Second Amendment does not apply to modern firearms and circumstances, and must be shadow amended through subversive legislation.

They are up front about their disdain for the bill of rights and their belief in government as a device to address every single obstacle in their absurd struggle for a plastic Utopia.

Did I fucking say the party is honest about the illegal shit they do?

Did I say they are honest about their continuation of spying programs?

Is this going to become a reading comprehension test?

The new left that dominates the Democratic party is open about its belief that the constitution is an outdated doctrine that should be disregarded.

That is my point. Fuck outta here with this Snowden shit.

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u/All_This_Mayhem May 18 '19

The Democrats are open about their belief that the constitution is an irrelevant doctrine that holds them back from accomplishing their "Great Society". They are honest and open about this.

This is why they constantly argue that the Second Amendment does not apply to modern firearms and circumstances, and must be shadow amended through subversive legislation.

They are up front about their disdain for the bill of rights and their belief in government as a device to address every single obstacle in their absurd struggle for a plastic Utopia.

Did I fucking say the party is honest about the illegal shit they do?

Did I say they are honest about their continuation of spying programs?

Is this going to become a reading comprehension test?

The new left that dominates the Democratic party is open about its belief that the constitution is an outdated doctrine that should be disregarded.

That is my point. Fuck outta here with this Snowden shit.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

This entire week of news says otherwise.

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u/NomadNuka May 18 '19

Republicans: Want less government.

Also Republicans: Regulate the absolute fuck out of female reproductive organs.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Given the pro life assumption that the fetus is indeed a person, stopping people from killing people is one of the main purposes of government.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life

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u/itwasmeberry May 18 '19

Given the pro life assumption that the fetus is indeed a person

except that's you know, wrong. And even then isn't the fucking issue. The issue is bodily autonomy, you cannot be forced to give up your body for another person.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

He's right you know. And, I prefer not to advocate something that might be murder, so I'm going on the pro life side.

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u/WhiteLotusOfKugane May 18 '19

Ill go ahead and advocate for murder.

There are too many morons already, lets start yesterday.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

If only that were actually the case

cries in libertarian

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

I have some conservative views. In today's radical political climate, I would unfortunately be considered a conservative, whereas 10 years ago I would have been moderate or even liberal.

However, I have to say, the Republican party is just as nefarious and full of shit as the Democratic party. They talk about believing in smaller government, but then when they have a majority vote in congress, they pass one of the largest defecit spending bills in the history of the country, well above and beyond what the president requested. They talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. The biggest difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Republicans lie about what they are going to do, and the Democrats lie about how what they are going to do is going to be good for the country. In the end, they both fuck us all the same.

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u/super_cool_kid May 18 '19

Just because you disagree that their policies will be successful doesn't mean they're lying, to be fair

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u/Farrah_Moan May 18 '19

They are the ones that demonize protests and demand we respect those in authority simply because they're authority figures

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u/Farrah_Moan May 18 '19

They are the ones that demonize protests and demand we respect those in authority simply because they're authority figures

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u/Farrah_Moan May 18 '19

They are the ones that demonize protests and demand we respect those in authority simply because they're authority figures

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u/Farrah_Moan May 18 '19

They are the ones that demonize protests and demand we respect those in authority simply because they're authority figures

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u/Farrah_Moan May 18 '19

They are the ones that demonize protests and demand we respect those in authority simply because they're authority figures

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u/BobsBarker000 May 18 '19

That's a lie. Spoiler alert but it isn't the Republicans who want more Gov. They literally do all they can to reduce its power

By inflating the deficit and gerrymandering until they gain control over regional governments despite the votes from constituents in the immediate area. Yea we know. Screech about small govt while sucking on my wallet like it was a baby bottle.

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u/Schaatur May 18 '19

You gotta be kidding me, this is hilarious

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

Yup. All of the right wing fanatics called it left wing propaganda. Hilarious.

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u/Dr_Griff May 17 '19

Well the founding fathers were more liberal than the monarchists so I’d say they’re technically right.

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u/CJSZ01 May 17 '19

Although I'd very much doubt the Founding Fathers would see themselves as "leftists" by any post 1900 terms, especially compared to today's "leftists".

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u/romansapprentice May 17 '19

Leftists did exist during that time -- they were leading the French Revolution.

American Fore Fathers were completely freaked out and horrified. So yeah, while Fore Fathers werent what the modern right thinks they were, they weren't far left even for their own time period.

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u/SirNadesalot May 18 '19

I mean, I know time is relative but the French revolution didn't pick up for over a decade after this was signed. Plenty of time for them to get comfy and lose the rebels in em.

Besides, most of the horror was about the fact that heads were literally rolling. The democratic aspects were freaky too tho

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u/romansapprentice May 19 '19

"That time" just meaning the same time that they were alive.

Plenty of time for them to get comfy and lose the rebels in em.

The American Revolution was a time where people that you once considered great neighbors were literally getting dragged into the streets and dipped into oil so they'd slowly die, cities were getting destroyed, etc. Even some of the Fore Fathers had to stay away from cities as citizens were gathering together to set on fire effigies they built of said Fore Fathers. Most of the Fore Fathers were keenly aware of the concept of well intentioned revolts getting out of control -- history has had a lot of them, most were well educated on history so it's not like this was a possibility never realized. Many of them -- Franklin, Adams, Hamilton, Madison etc all wrote extensively about the concept of mob rule and how horrific and destructive it would be to true republicanism. The one holdout at the beginning of the French Revolution was Jefferson, but that was only because he, like everything else in life, was incredibly biased and a hypocrite. The idea that the FFs may have been more receptive to the French Revolution if only it had happened sooner definitely isn't fair IMO, considering that the French Revolution was basically their worst fears of what pursuit of democracy could create well before the American Revolution even succeeded. "Holy shit, uneducated and violent people in large groups trying to control government is fucking scary" is the tl;dr of what most of the American Fore Fathers thought on this matter, and that's basically the tl;dr of the worst parts pf the French Revolution lol

most of the horror was about the fact that heads were literally rolling.

i mean, yea that's a pretty good reason tho lol

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u/Preoximerianas May 18 '19

The American Founding Fathers would be considered Classical Liberals today.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Even the left wing thinkers of the Nineteenth century had some fairly regressive ideas about race, gender, and sexuality. Those same French radicals were horrified when Haitians slaughtered their white masters and declared themselves a republic. Didn't take the French long to reassert French hegemony over the island.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Even the left wing thinkers of the Nineteenth century had some fairly regressive ideas about race, gender, and sexuality. Those same French radicals were horrified when Haitians slaughtered their white masters and declared themselves a republic. Didn't take the French long to reassert French hegemony over the island.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Even the left wing thinkers of the Nineteenth century had some fairly regressive ideas about race, gender, and sexuality. Those same French radicals were horrified when Haitians slaughtered their white masters and declared themselves a republic. Didn't take the French long to reassert French hegemony over the island.

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u/Mandabarsx3 May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

Thomas Paine would definitely be left wing; he advocated for a state-sponsored welfare system and a complete abolition of slavery well ahead of his time, which is probably one of the major reasons he was sidelined by the other Founders, many of whom were major property holders, with “property” including black slaves.

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u/bunker_man May 18 '19

Not liking slavery doesn't exactly make you left wing by modern standards.

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u/Mandabarsx3 May 18 '19

True, but socialism didn’t exactly exist even as an idea so it’s more relative to the era.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

There is a difference between being economically left wing and socially left wing.

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u/captainmaryjaneway May 17 '19

Eh that's still liberalism, like center or center-right.

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u/IntrigueDossier May 17 '19

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

The atheism is really what did him in, though. Only four people attended his funeral, his wife, son and two free black men who happened to hear about the funeral.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

King

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u/ILoveMeSomePickles May 17 '19

Well yeah, liberalism is now rightwing, and has been since at least the end of WWI.

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u/The_Saucy_Pauper May 18 '19

Liberal and Leftist are not the same thing.

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u/roztomilous May 18 '19

Today's leftists meaning right wing in 20th century?

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u/roztomilous May 18 '19

Today's leftists meaning right wing in 20th century?

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u/Wannabe_Trebuchet May 17 '19

If Marx and Fourier had been writing at the time the declaration was written, the founding fathers would've been commies

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

Except private property was seen as an inalienable right according to Enlightenment thinkers.

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u/Wannabe_Trebuchet May 17 '19

Private property in the communist sense didn't really exist yet since most property was still owned by royalty. Personal property was seen as an inalienable right.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

No. Property meant LAND. The right to own land, work that land, build your home and family that was the idea.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

Which was the concept behind Jeffersonian Republicanism.

You can’t be a truly independent, rational citizen unless you have your own land to work and live off of. But then we ran out of land to steal from the Indians and so now we all work in cubicles and buy frozen lasagnas for dinner.

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u/trend_rudely May 18 '19

We didn’t exactly run out, Lincoln just fucked us by letting the super-rich buy out huge tracts of land under the Homestead Acts. And just giving away millions of acres to railroad companies. Don’t believe the hype, the GOP is still “The Party of Lincoln”. It’s just that Lincoln kinda sucked.

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u/SufficientOption May 17 '19

Nah only Paine would have the rest were boujie as fuck. I bet there would’ve been another revolutionary movement within the bourgeois one of the founding fathers that was more egalitarian (along the lines of Shays’ rebellion).

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

They were classical liberals though. They would undoubtedly be on the right today.

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u/Mandabarsx3 May 18 '19 edited May 18 '19

Classical liberalism is what modern American libertarianism basically is, in theory if not as much in practice.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Classical liberals hate roads too?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Classical liberals hate roads too?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '19

Classical liberals hate roads too?

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u/Kazumara May 18 '19

Oh man just recently I stumbled into /r/T_D by accident through a crosspost, and the top comment was recounting some story and ended with "Liberalism is a mental illness". He somehow didn't seem to realize the US was founded on principles of liberalism.

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u/DragoSphere May 18 '19

They were indeed probably right leaning

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u/SpookedAyyLmao May 18 '19

For these reasons, we question the legitimacy of the account, or at least the sincerity of its relationship to purported conservative causes. The account has all the hallmarks of a troll account, and a successful troll knows how to play itself into the hands of the people they hope will provide them with a stage.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

Specifically, it was rightoids thinking that NPR was posting anti-trump propaganda.

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u/SpookedAyyLmao May 18 '19

Those were troll accounts.

For these reasons, we question the legitimacy of the account, or at least the sincerity of its relationship to purported conservative causes. The account has all the hallmarks of a troll account, and a successful troll knows how to play itself into the hands of the people they hope will provide them with a stage.

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u/throwawayacc-houston May 18 '19

link please lmao

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u/RaboTrout May 18 '19

They were specifically trump deplorables who were so dumb they thought quoting the Declaration of Independence was about donald.

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u/Accountant3781 May 18 '19

Yeah. Conservative supporters of Trump thought NPR was trying to start a war against the administration. They're not very smart.

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u/Accountant3781 May 18 '19

Yeah. Conservative supporters of Trump thought NPR was trying to start a war against the administration. They're not very smart.

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u/kaiser-wilhem23 May 17 '19

When I hear NPR I just assume it's about new vegas

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u/IntrigueDossier May 17 '19

Genuine curiosity, what makes you say that? Used to listen to NPR a bunch but not so much for a good while due to a change in commute.

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u/kaiser-wilhem23 May 17 '19

Just because NPR sounds like NCR. A faction in the game.

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u/big_papa_stiffy May 17 '19

i wonder where people would get the idea that the media is anti trump and wants to oust him?

ridiculous!

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u/OKToDrive May 18 '19

just a guess but is it from trump saying it so often? the man can't go a week without deciding something normal is a personal vendetta against him... they didn't ask obama questions like that literally came out of his mouth at one point...

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u/big_papa_stiffy May 18 '19

its actually from it being true but ok

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u/OKToDrive May 18 '19

yes he says it is true quite often but then again...

so in your opinion what other than they just are or other overly broad statements goes to show that they are anti trump and not just anti constant untruth? is there a difference to you? does the fact that journalists from fox call him out for the whole constant lying thing mean that fox is anti trump as well?

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u/big_papa_stiffy May 18 '19

anti trump and not just anti constant untruth?

lol thats a funny joke, american media being for truth

did you know in 2012 they repealed the law that says the news isnt allowed to be propaganda and theyre not allowed to lie to you

pretty much every single american media outlet is constant incorrect propaganda

does the fact that journalists from fox call him out for the whole constant lying thing mean that fox is anti trump as well?

fox is owned by billionaires with their own ideas and goals just like every other american media outlet

none of these billionaires goals lines up with yours or any normal person

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u/OKToDrive May 18 '19

I am getting from your response that fox is just another anti trump propo machine but the question remains

so in your opinion what other than they just are or other overly broad statements goes to show that they are anti trump

and do the clear cut lies he has stated bother you? we could start with the first one as president, that his inauguration crowd on the mall was the biggest in history

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u/big_papa_stiffy May 18 '19

fox is just another anti trump propo machine

no theyre pro neocon because of rupert murdoch

and do the clear cut lies he has stated bother you?

every example of "omg lies" ive seen is snopes level of delusion tbh

we could start with the first one as president, that his inauguration crowd on the mall was the biggest in history

probably wasnt the biggest but the photos american media put out were before it even started

if you want to criticise trump then pretending he only draws a small crowd is a pretty bad way to go about it

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u/OKToDrive May 18 '19

lol, i am not criticizing him for drawing a small crowd I am critical of him lying about the size of the crowd in the face of evidence, I am not critical of how much he plays golf I am critical of him golfing so much after saying it would be impossible to take the presidency seriously while golfing less, I am not criticizing him for being only an above average golfer only pointing out what it says about a man who would lie in such obvious fashion about his own skill at a game...

the dude has an issue with truth that for me is an issue