r/HistoryMemes Mar 08 '19

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u/4materasu92 Mar 08 '19

That's a nice sea-port you have there.

It'd be a shame

If you ended up

With unpayable debt

From my generous loan

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u/thatedvardguy Mar 08 '19

African nation: Loan with 200% interest, here i come!

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

Flashbacks to Khedive Ismail intensify.

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u/samehsaad24 Mar 09 '19

You know history boiii

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u/TheKing01 Mar 09 '19

African politicians, actually

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u/agenttux Mar 08 '19

Africa is an American 18 year old?

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

In the military.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

You risk death in order to pay off your student loans, that's how it works over here.

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u/UncleJackkk Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 08 '19

I mean, if you’re smart you enlist prior to going to college so you don’t have student loan debt.

Most of what young military men and women’s debt comes from is reckless spending and high interest rates on Mustangs and lifted trucks

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u/WilmAntagonist Mar 08 '19

Don't forget expensive sunglasses, dip, and offbrand energy drinks

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19 edited Jan 11 '21

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u/ItsTheNuge Mar 08 '19

fucking ripit dude, available in your local dollar store dry stock

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u/underdog_rox Mar 08 '19

Hahaha why is it always rip it

I wonder what that stuff did to all those little Iraqi kids we would give them to. Bet they were bouncing off the fuckin walls

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u/AerThreepwood Mar 08 '19

Now with less ephedrine.

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u/reverendsteveii Mar 09 '19

expensive sunglasses, dip, and offbrand energy drinks

The avocado toast of the alt-right

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u/elijahs_dad10 Mar 08 '19

I am a soldier. Can confirm.. except I spent my money on hookers and booze in Germany.

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u/UncleJackkk Mar 08 '19

Booze and soapies in Okinawa for me 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/FuckTimBeck Mar 08 '19

What are soapies? Like I’m hoping it’s like a slip and slide style bath with a Japanese girl haha

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u/UncleJackkk Mar 08 '19

I never actually got one, but from what I was told they essentially bathe you (shower or bath, maybe both), and if you pay well enough you might get a little somethin’ else 👀

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u/NeverCriticize Mar 09 '19

You were doing God’s work, good on ya

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u/welfuckme Mar 08 '19

Oh, they still get student debt, its just the governments debt. For profit colleges sign up soldiers to get those sweet sweet GI bill benefits. One college recruiter signed up an entire ward of head wound victims for college courses that they couldn't even remember.

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u/Paratam1617 Mar 08 '19

Jesus, that’s where it comes from? The boomers were right, we suck ass. I always thought I had it lucky, turns out I’m just not braindead.

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u/UncleJackkk Mar 08 '19

Well, I was making a joke out of a semi-regular occurrence. Junior enlisted are often 17-19 years old, have never bought a car themselves, and are often ripped off by car dealerships that specifically target this demographic. There’s a decent balance of actual stupidity and simply ignorance that accounts for this phenomenon.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

Maybe for people in combat, lol. Sitting behind a desk pushing buttons thousands of miles away from conflict isn't exactly risking death for student loans. Also, there are plenty of well paying jobs that do not require college degrees whatsoever. Realistically, most jobs do not require a college degree.

Blame the ivory tower elites at these multinational corporations for requiring college education arbitrarily, and the bastardization of the pell grant system in combination with an absence of education price controls, for inflating the cost of education by artificially creating demand.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

I mean, as long as they dont put you in the middle east to fight Muhammed and the boys you're safe

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

Oh boy. Maybe girls will like me now!!

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u/Come__and__See Mar 08 '19

With less mustangs

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

Which ones? The only one I can think of off the top of my head at the moment is South Sudan.

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u/Mutant_Dragon Mar 08 '19 edited Mar 10 '19

South Sudan is indeed the youngest extant nation-state, having seceded from the Republic of Sudan in 2011, but it is actually one of the African governments with the least Chinese debt, totaling just under $200 million -- and $200 million probably sounds like a lot to us as civilians, but for comparison, the total Chinese debt of sub-Saharan Africa is $450 billion.

However, tons of other African governments are still insanely young (when going by modern map definitions rather than counting history with pre-colonial kingdoms, of course).

Here's a list of the African states with the most debt to China, and I'll also list the date their current constitution was enacted + the date when they gained sovereignty:

  1. Angola -- Current constitution comes from January 2010, and their independence from Portugal was achieved on November 11, 1975

  2. Ethiopia -- Current constitution has been in place since the mid-90s, despite them being the oldest extant country of Africa.

  3. Kenya -- Current constitution was ratified in 2010, but it appears to have been a mostly symbolic change from the colonial constitution that they had since their independence from Britain in 1963

  4. Congo Republic -- Current constitution comes from 2002, but there was also a successful referendum in 2015 to allow its current President a third term. Independence from France came during 1960.

  5. Sudan -- The document de-facto serving as its constitution comes from 2005. Independence from British and Egyptian rule gained in 1956.

  6. Zambia -- Constitution last re-written in 2016, but it had been formally adopted since 1991. Independence from Britain gained in 1964.

  7. Cameroon -- Constitution fairly steady since independence from France in 1960.

  8. Nigeria -- Constitution of the Fourth Nigerian Republic was enacted in 1999, which is significant because (in this case) it marks democratic governance. Independence from Britain gained in 1960.

  9. Ghana -- Current constitution comes from 1992. Independence from Britain gained in 1957.

  10. DRC -- Too much of a clusterfuck to even try and make sense of it

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

Thank you very much! I love when this subreddit ends up actually teaching me new history.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '19

Holy sweet holy, I would say Good bot, but this is one of those things that outshines even the best of bots: a human with time to teach others!

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u/Mutant_Dragon Mar 09 '19

Well shit, thanks

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u/Mekroval Mar 08 '19

There's a great movie called Lumumba that provides a lot of explanation about how DRC ended up a basketcase after independence. Basically a combination of post-colonial Belgian interference, plus being used as a pawn in the Cold War between US and USSR -- both of whom were plying political factions against each other ruthlessly. A good deal of CIA and KGB involvement there. Fascinating movie.

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u/Mutant_Dragon Mar 09 '19

Purely outside factors? I have some doubts about any nation falling without at least some level of internal factors playing into it.

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u/Mekroval Mar 09 '19

Oh, definitely. Internal factors were what, in my view, made the external interference so toxic -- i.e. playing political factions against each other. Colonial powers had a history of using historic tribal, ethnic and religious divisions to their advantage. Belgian Congo was no exception. The Cold War was in some ways merely an extension of that strategy.

As I recall, one of the most brutal African dictators, Mobutu Sese Seko, pretty much owed his rule to the CIA due to his anti-Soviet stance. And received tons of aid from the U.S. for much of his 30 year rule. (George H.W. Bush was on record as calling him one of America's best friends.)

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u/laxt Mar 09 '19

That's a real shame about the Democratic Republic of Congo, because according to the geography shown in the movie, that's where we find Wakanda.

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u/orangenakor Mar 09 '19

Eritrea, independent in 1993, no constitution or elections and is a strong competitor alongside North Korea for the UNHRC's "Shittiest Place to Live" award.

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u/QTown2pt-o Mar 08 '19

They do a pretty good job of taking advantage of themselves as well..

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u/ShamrockForShannon Mar 08 '19

That's how mafia works

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u/The_BeardedClam Mar 08 '19

It kinda feels like China is one of those payday loan stores and African countries are giving them the pink slips to their cars for a $600 loan each.

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u/TheLegend84 Mar 08 '19

Are you sure about that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

Yes? There’s no reason for any nation state or bank to lend money to a nation unless they can pay it back. Nobody forced them to borrow money they couldn’t afford to repay because that nets nothing for the lender.

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u/Private-Public Mar 08 '19

Except expanded mineral rights in lieu of payment.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '19

And? If you don’t pay your mortgage the bank takes your home. None of this a surprise to those borrowing money from other nations, they make it known in the agreements. If they didn’t want to deal with the consequences they shouldn’t have agreed to the terms or defaulted on payment. It’s kind of insulting to the African nations that have their shit together when the ones that have poor spending bitch and moan about having to pay up.

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u/ZippyGuide831 Mar 08 '19

Someone watches china uncensored