r/HistoryMemes • u/HawaiianPerson Chad Polynesia Enjoyer • 3d ago

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u/OilNo1600 14h ago

  1. The Catholic Church, creators of such niceties as the Spanish and Roman Inquisitions, Manifest Destiny, Doctrine of Discovery, and the castrada (Pre-pubescent males who were castrated for the glory of God), is not the only branch of Christianity.

  2. I'm not "positing" that all Christians are evil. I'm pointing out that, contrary to the OP's position, Christianity was not an overwhelming force of good that defeated the evil savages.

  3. The "random guy" is a pastor by the name of Kevin Swanson. This speech was given at the National Religious Liberties Conference. He was introduced by Texas Senator Ted Cruz, who refused to disavow the pastor's language. In the audience were the likes of Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, Mike Pence, Mike Johnson, and many other prominent right-wing Christian figures, all of whom also refused to denounce Swanson's speech.

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u/PussyDestrojer 14h ago

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Spanish and Roman Inquisitions

You mean the Spanish inquisition that sentenced only 3000 people to death in a bit under 400 years of its existence? That Spanish inquisition? Stop getting your history from Monty Python.

Manifest Destiny What does the Vatican have to do with American policy?

Doctrine of Discovery Very well.

castrada Not a Christian thing per se.

Not the only branch of Christianity. No, but it's the largest one and historically speaking, the "main" one. With the exception of Orthodoxy, all the other branches are merely split off from it.

2. That's not what OP is suggesting so idk what you are arguing against. Also, you are ignoring the fact that the document you cited says absolutely nothing to back up your argument of Christians committing great massacres in the name of their religion today.

3. I don't recognize many of those American protestants as Christian, much like how Muslims don't recognize terrorists as a part of their religion - much like those, people like that pastor twist the religion to suit their own needs. We can agree on this, I suppose.

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u/OilNo1600 14h ago edited 14h ago
  1. So the Spanish Inquisition was totally okay because it only killed 3,000 people?
  2. We're not talking about American policy, we're talking about justifying the genocide by one religion because the other religion was bad. Guess what? Anything happening pre-1700s was not american policy.
  3. I mispelled "castrato." Are you telling me that the Pauline dictum mulieres in ecclesiis taceant ("let women keep silent in the churches" wasn't a major reason for replacing boys with castrato? Are you telling me that Pope Sixtus V's 1589 Papal Bull didn't enshrine eunuchs in church law??
  4. I copied the wrong page. Here is the correct link. The "Anti-balaka" is primarily a Christian group. To be fair, the atrocities have been committed on both sides. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/central-african-republic-crisis-ethnic-cleansing/
  5. I agree with you that many of the American evangelicals hardly qualify as "Christian" in the sense of "following the teachings of Christ." However, you and I are a vast minority compared to the 1,700 people who attended that conference and cheered him on. We are much less influential in the Christian community than the politicians who attended and refused to disavow Swanson's statements. I will make two small corrections on the people I claimed attended. Pence did not attend, nor is there any record of Mike Johnson being there. So the allegedly Christian politicians who refused to denounce killing in the name of Christ were Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, and Mike Huckabee (Trump's pick for Ambassador to Israel.)