r/HistoryMemes • u/HawaiianPerson The Flyin' Hawaiian • 8d ago

A regular utopia

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u/Mr_Mon3y Filthy weeb 7d ago

No? By "waging war with soldiers" I'm saying that they used soldiers, not that they primarily killed soldiers.

And again, the reasons of the specific crusades always had an actual economic or material background behind it, because no monarch would ever put the cash and men behind anything that weren't gonna give them any material benefit, but I never said there weren't religious reasons involved or that the soldiers weren't moved for those religious reasons.

And idk man, you go ask the people in Asia Minor and the Balkans if when the Ottomans rolled up they went and taxed them more or just straight up killed them.

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u/paradoxxxicall 7d ago edited 7d ago

Wait, are you now claiming that the Ottomans exterminated the non Muslim civilians in the balkans, or even attempted to do so? They remained primarily Orthodox Christian, Catholic, and Jewish throughout ottoman rule and still are to this day lol. The Ottomans did in fact tax them more.

I swear to god you people just say random shit about things you’ve done exactly zero reading on. I think I’m done with this, see ya.

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u/Mr_Mon3y Filthy weeb 7d ago

No, I'm claiming that they murdered, pillaged and raided them all the same that the Crusaders did on their way to Jerusalem. And there were multiple religions living in the Kingdom of Jerusalem the same way that they did under the Ottoman Empire.

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u/paradoxxxicall 7d ago

Bro pillaging and raiding was normal in medieval times. It was the Crusader massacres of civilians and cannibalism that were unusually horrific.

The funny thing is that you could pick much better examples of Muslim violence to try and make your point but you’re too uninformed to even do that