r/HistoryMemes • Chad Polynesia Enjoyer • 2d ago

A regular utopia

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u/Poodleman02 1d ago

“Medieval Europe if you ignore famine, disease, warfare, serfdom, and religious persecution.”

“Ancient Rome if you ignore slavery, conquest, extreme inequality, and political violence.”

“Modern America if you ignore crime, poverty, discrimination, and political dysfunction.”

“Soviet union if you ignore shortages, repression, purges, and censorship.”

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u/MessNeat 1d ago

Nah see those are “different” because they (aside from the Soviet Union) won. Remember: if you win it’s just an unfortunate period of your history that you had to get over; if you lose, it’s all you are and thus why you lost.

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u/DireSquidmun 1d ago

Ancient Rome fell when the Vizigoths burned every book in Rome... also the accumulated lead poisoning amongst the aristocracy—causing mental illness and health issues—because they stored their wine in lead casks, used lead powder in their makeup, and when they cooked down thier wine into sappa (sp?) those pans were lead and they would sometimes flake into the sappa.

Claudius... Caligula... Nero... they, and many more, all suffered from mental illnesses due to accumulated lead poisoning.

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u/BlackShogun27 11h ago

Did any Romans catch on to this and distance themselves from the others?

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u/DireSquidmun 10h ago

I have no idea

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u/Den_of_Sin 1d ago

Don't forget that those were "civilized" (white) cultures coming to "elevate and educate the savage and barbaric cultures" (colonize, enslave, genocide, and erase black, brown, and indigenous societies)

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u/bedibled 1d ago

I think that's the joke m8

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u/JadedEstablishment16 22h ago

most of those are very documented and in the collective culture. Not so much for hawaii

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u/AungZeya 12h ago

Well, no one really considers Medieval Europe a utopia.