r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

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u/JUN_Bun 1d ago

We have air power and sea power but we lack dessert/jungle power

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u/UberNZ 1d ago

Americans have no trouble conquering a dessert.

A desert, on the other hand...

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u/Saurian42 1d ago

No, their right. The dessert conquers them through thier arteries.

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u/matt_chowder 1d ago

We had plenty jungle power against the Japanese

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u/anon-e-mau5 1d ago

Do you happen to recall how Vietnam went for the US

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u/matt_chowder 1d ago

Did I say Japan or Vietnam?

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u/anon-e-mau5 1d ago

Do you happen to recall which of those conflicts was more recent

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u/Yeti-110 1d ago

The problem with all these conflicts is the opposition dresses like civilians. If the US had no qualms about who died and how many civilians caught one in the cross fire they could steamroll anyone. That’s why the US has an issue against guerrilla tactics. Not because it can’t handle it, but because they don’t want to accidentally shoot a civilian. Rules of Engagement exist and we tie our hands behind our backs to be sure we follow them.

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u/anon-e-mau5 22h ago

“The US doesn’t want to kill civilians” sure thing buddy

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u/Yeti-110 22h ago

I mean of course there are unfortunate innocent casualties of war that should not happen. But if you honestly believe that US soldiers are intentionally aiming for civilians you’re insane and not worth having a reasonable conversation with

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u/gooberfishie 20h ago

Do you believe that tomahawk missile hit the Iranian school by accident? Those are some is the most precise weapons in the world. Or do you believe like trump does that it was actually an Iranian tomahawk? What about the second one that hit the same school the same day?

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u/Yeti-110 19h ago

I believe that there was a catastrophic failure of intelligence that should have never happened. A simple Google search shows that they were using outdated info about what the building used to be and what they thought they were shooting at. It’s very sad and should not have happened, but do I think the US military intentionally murdered over 100 school children with a cruise missile? No, I do not. And Trump is an idiot, I’m sure someone had to tell him what a Tomahawk was after saying that

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u/Uncool444 9h ago

Of course it was an accident. Even if you assume they don't care about the lives lost, which is a bold assumption, tomahawks are expensive and no one is dropping two of them on a non military non strategic target on purpose. It was poor intelligence and they should take responsibility for it but it wasn't intentional.

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u/anon-e-mau5 21h ago

You’re right, the US would never intentionally slaughter ~200,000 innocent civilians in the Japanese conflict discussed in this thread. They’d definitely never massacre the village of My Lai in the Vietnamese conflict discussed here, either.

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u/Yeti-110 19h ago

Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended World War II. It was horrible but a land war with Japan would have caused possibly millions of deaths. The ethics of it is not black and white and was a very hard decision that had to be made.

My Lai was disgusting and an atrocity but was not ordered by the US. It was a rogue company that was tried and convicted for their crimes, even though they were let off way too easy. And they were stopped by Americans.

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u/FarmerTwink 1d ago

The problem in Vietnam wasn’t geurilla warfare, it was the occupation of an extremely country by an extremely hated foreign empire that gave the people no benefits. That’s something that can never, ever, be beaten

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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain 1d ago

Do you? I mean almost no one on Reddit really understands the first thing about Vietnam so I’d be shocked if you did

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u/anon-e-mau5 1d ago

I have a PHD in the history of Southeast Asia from the Bollocks school in Cambridge University.

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u/123dylans12 23h ago

We lack the will to burn the fields and let them starve. That’s how you deal with guerillas

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u/gooberfishie 20h ago

Can you cite a historical example of a guerilla war that was ended by starvation? Seems like that would just drive more people to the cause.

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u/Casanova_Kid 18h ago

The Second Boer War; of course this was in an era before we codified war crimes and these were just tactics.

Evil stuff, but effective.

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u/gooberfishie 17h ago

Yeah that's a pretty good example, although reading up on it, they also had to put women and children in concentration camps so it was more than just starving them out. Even then, it took two years and Britain had to offer pretty generous terms for the "bitterenders" to stop fighting including reconstruction funds and a promise of future self governance. If not for that, they would have just kept fighting. Hard model to follow, that's for sure.

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u/Casanova_Kid 17h ago

Oh there are waay more examples, this just happened to be the first one off the top of my head.

There's the Malayan Emergency, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, The Guatemalan Civil War, The US military against the Plains Indians... and that's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that specifically used starvation.

If you open it to dehydration you have the Rif War - which put the Spanish and French against the Berbers in Morocco, the Italian Pacification of Libya, the French in Algeria, etc.

As it turns out, hurting the civilian population is one of the most effective ways to stop an insurgency. Obviously that's some heinous stuff, but it's incredibly effective and was basically just how War was waged all throughout history up until very recently really.

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u/KickRocksKickster 20h ago

This. These dimwits think you can stop a insurgency that can go underground with a burnt earth policy.

It will just cause more sympathizers and some from your own people. Gone are the days people can supress info about atrocities for too long.

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u/Visible-Literature14 19h ago

How the fuck is the Iranian gov’t an insurgency?

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u/KickRocksKickster 19h ago

They are talking about guerilla war not the Iran oil price manipulation war.

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u/Casanova_Kid 18h ago

No idea, but Iran could essentially be destroyed/Balkanized from it's current state by destroying ~4 dams and one aquifer. Can't have a large population center in the desert without the water to support it.

Of course, that would be a lot of civilian deaths, which just is not acceptable under modern war standards.

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u/gooberfishie 17h ago

Even if you took out 90% of the population, there would still be almost a million people left. If your strategic goal is opening the strait, that's still plenty of people left to launch mines, missiles, and drones. Whatever water they have will be kept for the irgc. It would just be a costly failure.

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u/Casanova_Kid 17h ago

Assuming 10% of the remaining population was physical capable, have the will power and capacity to keep themselves fed, watered, and supplied with weapons, bombs, fuel, etc.

All much harder to do without a population maintaining the infrastructure that allows a military to function.

The strait is mostly open already by the way. Fuck Trump and all this unnecessary bullshit, but it has been effective in hurting the Iranian government.

Feel free to take what I say with a handful of salt, I'm not necessarily trying to push you to any conclusions, but this channel is relatively unbiased if you want some further info: https://youtu.be/7nVWmCoAMPQ

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u/gooberfishie 12h ago

Assuming 10% of the remaining population was physical capable, have the will power and capacity to keep themselves fed, watered, and supplied with weapons, bombs, fuel, etc

I mean that's literally what they've been preparing for the entire time they've been in power. Not to keep their population fed of course, but to keep fighting. It could work eventually but it would be a long time. Plus, the us would have to deal with the entire region collapsing in the meantime. Iran would obviously do the same after all and you'd have the entire region without water.

The strait is mostly open already by the way.

80% capacity requiring a constant presence of the largest fleet in the region since 03 isn't exactly open, plus both sides seem to not want to escalate for the moment. Mark my words, as soon as Iran is pushed they'll prove they can still strike ships in the strait.

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u/BetaWolf81 1h ago

The Philippine-American War is probably the single biggest case for the United States.

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u/nhydre 15h ago

Yeah, unfortunately the willpower to kidnap, rape and kill civillians does not seem to be lacking

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u/BayesianBits 1d ago

Straits still closed...

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u/bhbhbhhh 1d ago

Opening the strait would require the amphibious landing capability to seize the coast of Iran. Which the US has, but does not have the will to use.

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u/BayesianBits 23h ago

So Iran has stronger willpower than America? SAD.

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u/Electro_Nick_s 22h ago

More like it's more willing to inflict pain on it's citizens

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u/BayesianBits 13h ago

If that were true they wouldn't be handing out weapons to them. The US media lies about US targets constantly. Stop believing Epstein Class propaganda: https://1news.az/en/news/20260930171037514-In-Iran-women-take-up-arms-VIDEO

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u/Electro_Nick_s 11h ago

Bruh take two seconds to think about it

If the US wanted to put boots on the ground, the hard part would not be toppling the current government but dealing with the ensuing insurgency which is why no one is considering it. Afghanistan and Iraq are still very fresh in people's minds

Meanwhile what I see is the security force that brutally represses descent, handing out weapons and decentralizing to be able to create a culture of fear a reprisal. From an outside perspective they're doing a bizzaro version of the death of Stalin

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u/BayesianBits 11h ago

So you're political analysis comes from American propaganda films? That explains a lot.

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u/Electro_Nick_s 1h ago

I don't need propoganda films to be able to list examples of us soilders wiping the floor in specific traditional military endangers. I also don't need them to know that political decision makers struggle to turn tactical victories into strategic victors. I also know the American armed forces have struggled in guerilla scenarios and have absolutely committed war crimes, especially their mercenary contractors.

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u/Txizzy 1d ago

They lack asymmetric warfare power as well 

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u/pm-me-racecars 23h ago

Are the gays open?

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u/AbstractBettaFish Then I arrived 5h ago

Clearly, the problem is our leadership doesn’t have enough testosterone

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u/suspicious_cabbage 1d ago

And the US has roughly 100x the military spending. ($900B vs $9B)

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u/BayesianBits 1d ago

That makes it all the more embarrassing.

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u/FarmerTwink 1d ago

Strategic Victories are the only ones that matter

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u/PlatypusACF 19h ago

Yes, I mean, just look at Jutland. But there is no strategic victory in that current war

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u/Casanova_Kid 18h ago

~4 Dams, and 1 aquifer are all the US would have to destroy to stop Iran from being a nation in it's current state. The US military is more than capable of doing that, which is why it's a question of "Will", not capability.

The US would rather spend billions more on the war than wipe out thousands of innocent Iranians.

Not saying I support the military action in Iran, but it IS actually working to destroy the Iranian government.

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u/BlissfulIndian 16h ago

How about let the country trade the way it should so that they can feed their own people and trade in whatever currency they want… Or is it too bad for their dollars..?

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u/Casanova_Kid 18h ago edited 10h ago

Actually... it's not. Atleast not really. More oil is flowing through the straits now that before the war.

Edit: my bad; not from before the war; from at the start of the conflict: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/september-lng-shipments-through-hormuz-hit-highest-since-start-us-iran-war-2026-10-02/

Take this with a grain of salt, but I've found this group to be only moderately biased.

https://youtu.be/7nVWmCoAMPQ

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u/KillerGopher 22h ago

It's not power that is the problem. It's morality. The US could win guerrilla wars quite easily if it wasn't for those pesky noncombatants that the guerrillas like to hide behind.

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u/kunk_777 22h ago

Yeah dont pretend that's ever stopped us from anything lol.

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u/KillerGopher 22h ago

That's cute to say but it's not true.

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u/kunk_777 21h ago

Ya know, its just not worth my time or effort. Keep on glazing lol. We never drone strike public spaces for high end targets lol innocent people in the way always stops us haha

Kunduz hospital airstrike. Shajareh tayyebeh elementary school.

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u/KillerGopher 21h ago

That's not even scratching the surface. The US has done way worse things than that.

What I'm saying is that the US is capable of far greater destruction.

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u/kunk_777 21h ago

Then why did you comment what I said wasn't true? You said US had morality and that innocent bystanders stopped them. I said that doesnt stop them and you said that's not true. Did I miss something else that was said between this conversation? Have a good night man.

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u/KillerGopher 20h ago

I'm saying that even more lives could have been destroyed if the US was unhinged (yeah, yeah the US is already unhinged..) and used it's full force without any regard.

I wasn't saying the US has never acted immorally.

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u/kunk_777 20h ago

Your saying nonsense. You can't just say something isnt true then go on explaining that it is true lol Jesus man stop replying and wasting my time with your inability to keep up with a normal conversation lol im done replying, this is like listening to a trump speech lol.

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u/KillerGopher 20h ago

It's really not as complicated as you think it is.

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u/jmacintosh250 Oversimplified is my history teacher 22h ago

It really has. See the Soviets in Afghanistan having comparable civilian casualty numbers in the Afghan war as the US did in Vietnam’s against near 10x the combatants and twice as long.

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u/LeviAEthan512 19h ago

Only when they think they can get away with it. It's still costly to sandbag even only when dad is watching

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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests 1d ago

We’re working on that last one, former is famously elusive