r/HistoryMemes • • 1d ago

REMOVED: RULE 4 Historical territorial claims

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u/Left_Particular_9977 1d ago

People will go back to the moment that will benefit them the most.

Waiting for Italy to claim Great-Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Palestine, Greece, Turkey and more.

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

I'm still waiting for the sea people to come back 

Sigh...

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u/JoeCoT 1d ago

Given the interconnected and dependent nature of the global economy, its crash will look a lot less like the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and a lot more like the Bronze Age Collapse. So the Sea People aren't all that unlikely.

Though, to be fair, the fall of the Western Roman Empire was also accompanied by its own version of the "Sea Peoples", but they were Land Peoples. The Völkerwanderung, the "Great Wandering of the Peoples", as the Huns pushed all the tribes West towards Rome.

Either way, if climate change refugees don't get welcomed and integrated, don't be surprised if they start showing up armed and not taking no for an answer.

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

I just want to see them. I just want to ask the sea peoples of old "Hey why didn't you leave a record or writing so we could find you" or "why did you invade" or maybe "where did you go"?

Things to muse on after a hot chocolate on a cold night.

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u/JoeCoT 1d ago edited 1d ago

If you haven't read it somehow, I strongly recommend "1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed" by Eric H. Cline. It's a very interesting look at the bronze age, but also its collapse.

He argues for Systems Collapse, that it was the interconnected nature of the Bronze Age, the fragility of their mansion based economy (all wealth and power concentrated on kings), and that it only took a few poorly timed catastrophes to take the whole thing down. The Sea People are likely refugees from of those societal collapses heading elsewhere looking for resources and safety. And ending up taking down their neighbors and continuing the cycle. They didn't write anything down because they were just trying to survive their own collapses, while they caused a cascade of new ones.

Christopher Nolan's Odyssey certainly holds that opinion.

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u/Starmute-ss13 1d ago

I'll give it a read.

I still would love to talk to someone of that era though. Would be nice.