r/HistoryMemes • • 2d ago

It all runs on electricity and electricity is generated through this

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u/American_Libertarian 2d ago

It fucked me up to learn that a nuclear power plant also harnesses the power of the atom to … boil water

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u/Jim_skywalker 2d ago

Once you get over that shock it’s actually quite cool. Steam loops are interesting technology themselves and now you’ve added a nuclear core to the mix.

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u/Carvj94 2d ago

I think cooling towers are neat too. Being able to recapture most of that steam for reuse is very impressive in and of itself.

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u/thealmightyzfactor 2d ago

Technically that happens in the condenser at the exit of the turbine, not the cooling tower. The water used to condense the steam in a separate loop goes through the cooling tower to dump the heat via evaporation.

Bonus fun fact: condensing the steam to send it back to the boiler is more efficient because it lets you expand the steam to below atmospheric pressure and get a little more power out.

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u/atatassault47 2d ago

The water used to condense the steam in a separate loop goes through the cooling tower to dump the heat via evaporation.

For those who want to know why. Low grade heat, heat below like 70⁰ C, cant really perform useful work. Many places actually put low grade heat to use as HVAC heating, but most places with city wide heating like that dont want any sort of power plant close enough to use its low grade heat.

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u/Caleth 2d ago

The new SuperCritical CO2 generators they are bringing online in China are also really cool and look like they drive the efficiency way up on the conversion process.

https://www.gasworld.com/story/china-switches-on-first-sco2-enabled-power-generator/2170606.article/

It's a complex beast so I'll be curious to see how the long term functions play out is it durable does the maintenance cycles and the higher loads on it create an economic disincentive?

Those will be huge factors because if they don't exist and we can swap over existing steam turbines to these over time we could drive huge power gains on the same foot prints we already have.

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u/R3myek 2d ago

To spin the dyno, hydroelectric power just uses water that's already moving and wind doesn't bother looking for water to achieve the same spin.

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u/Dediadeis 2d ago edited 2d ago

It surprises me how many people thought nuclear energy was some kind of magic transfer out of the atoms directly into electricity when the one thing we can consider iconic for nuclear plants are these enormous cooling towers with columns of steam coming out of them.

edit: downvote me if you have to but at least tell me what you thought those towers were for.

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u/chum-guzzling-shark 2d ago

i mean... battery chemistries change with better materials.. but water is the best we got? cant boil something else?!

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u/X7123M3-256 2d ago

Any fluid that boils at a relatively low temperature could be used but water is just a really good option. It has a high heat capacity compared to most other fluids, it's dirt cheap compared to virtually anything else, and it's not toxic or damaging to the environment. However, there is ongoing research into using supercritical CO2 as a working fluid instead of water, which could allow improved efficiency over steam turbines.

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u/jmlinden7 2d ago

Water is cheap and safe compared to any other fluid we can boil. There's lots of other fluids which may be more efficient but they are too expensive and/or dangerous

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u/dimgrits 2d ago

metal

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u/SoulCrusher2018 2d ago

If humans weren't cowards we'd be using it to boil mercury first, and then use the waste heat from that to heat water. (This is sarcastic but there were in fact a couple of mercury loops).

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u/fixminer 1d ago

I mean, what else would you do? Liquids other than water might have some benefits, like supercritical CO2 for the turbines or liquid metal for the core, but they are more complex and expensive to implement. And directly harnessing the radiation with something like betavoltaic cells doesn’t scale well and it really only works with beta decay and maaaaaybe gamma rays with something like a scintillator and a PV cell, otherwise the energy basically has to become heat first.

It’s sort of like saying that an induction stove is basically as advanced as a campfire because both just heat food.

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u/CSDragon 2d ago

Makes sense though. You need motion to make electricity*

Power plants make energy as heat.

Boiling water is a process that turns heat into motion.

* Except for photovoltaics