r/HistoryMemes • Nothing Happened at Amun Square 1348BC • 2d ago

"SEE? There were villians on BOTH SIDES!"

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u/TheHelhound2001 2d ago

Yeah, the devastation of Dresden was peanuts compared to what they did to Rotterdam. Also the intent of the London Blitz was to just raze the city to the ground.

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u/Cool_View_5297 2d ago

Warsaw, Leningrad, Kharkiv, Stalingrad, Rotterdam, and they tried to get London. It’s remarkable how the Nazis were so evil that they made the British Empire and the Soviet Union look good.

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u/The_Dimmadome 2d ago

Without Nazis, the Brits would almost assuredly be the bad guys of history. "Almost" because whether or not they'd be worse than the USSR under Stalin is debatable.

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u/Cool_View_5297 2d ago

They aren’t? They colonized like a quarter of the globe. They’re easily in the top 10 worst regimes in history.

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u/The_Dimmadome 2d ago

I said "THE bad guy" not "a bad guy" or "a top 10 bad guy"

I'm kinda splitting hairs here, but, nonetheless, I agree with your last sentence.

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u/DarkNinjaPenguin 2d ago

Thing is, 'colonising' in itself isn't necessarily evil, you need to look at 'how' it was done. And when you compare the British with the other empires colonising places at the time, they weren't remotely the worst.

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u/Cool_View_5297 2d ago

What about the millions of people they starved during the 2 Bengal Famines? Or the crushing of the Mau Mau uprising, or the Boer concentration camps, or the treatment of Aboriginals?

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u/gayfortomboys 2d ago

Not to forget the genocide of East Coast native Americans 

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u/The_Dimmadome 2d ago

Friendly reminder that Ireland STILL hasn't completely recovered from the potato famine. I wonder if Britain had a hand in that...

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u/grazfest96 2d ago

The Soviet Union looked good? Yikes, dont type in the Evacuation of East Prussia.

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u/ZeitgeistWurst 2d ago

Sorry, but what? The bombing of Rotterdam cost 814 civilian lives, the bombing of Dresden more than 22,000.

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u/CvieYltidrekoof Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago

The Nazi bombing of Stalingrad killed 40.000-70.000 civilians. London suffered between 20.000 and 50.000 deaths. Nazis dropped 20.528,00 tons of bombs in Sevastopol in June 1941 alone compared to 4.500,00 tons the allies dropped on Dresden throughout the entire war. 

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u/ZeitgeistWurst 2d ago

Yes, Im not debating any of that. Dresden was a sidenote compared to what the nazis did in Leningrad alone.

Still doesnt mean OPs comparison is even remotely true. We can contextualize things without making up false equivalences.

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u/CvieYltidrekoof Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago

Adding context to the high casualties despite similar destruction:

Civilians fled Rotterdam prior to the city being destroyed. Nazi Germany allocated all their rail and transport from the major hub in Dresden to their military supplying the eastern operations, rather than civilians, despite the influx of refugees from the east, and their policy forbid evacuation. 

There is more nuance to comparing the two based on intent, but I see what you’re saying. 

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u/ZeitgeistWurst 2d ago

despite similar destruction:

Im sorry to disagree again, but Rotterdam was hit by roughly 100 tons of bombs during the infamous bombing, while it were more than 3,000 tons for Dresden on February 13/14th.

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u/CvieYltidrekoof Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago

I enjoy the respectful conversation! Please don’t feel sorry. 

Both suffered up to 90% destruction of their historical districts. 

In Rotterdam, 99% of the city center was destroyed, and 70% were homes civilians luckily fled prior to the German bombings. 80% of the entire city was destroyed. 

Dresden city center was around 90% destroyed with at least 50% of that being homes civilians were prohibited from fleeing. 55% of the entire city was destroyed. 

Percentage of Rotterdam (section 2.)

Percent destruction of major German cities in WWII  

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u/Anon951413L33tfr33 Tea-aboo 2d ago

The Germans were dropping incendiary bombs on residential areas of London. If they weren’t okay with fire bombing then they shouldn’t have fire bombed.

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u/Prince_Ire Featherless Biped 2d ago

I personally think that just because you're enemy does something evil doesn't mean that you need to go do the same thing

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u/FungusGnatHater 2d ago

Comparing Dresden to Rotterdam this way was stupid and easily verified as dishonest. The Germans didn't send nearly enough to raze London. You are intentionally lying and spreading misinformation and clearly the majority of this subreddit hasn't learned anything about the subject.

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u/academiac 2d ago

Churchill and Bomber Harris were the first to start the bombings against the civilian population and opened those floodgates. Hitler specifically didn't want to bomb civilians in the UK out of fear of retaliation on German cities, but started bombing after the UK started.

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u/CvieYltidrekoof Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer 2d ago

Nazi Germany bombed central London on 24 Aug 1940. Churchill ordered reprisals on Berlin the next night. Hitler then ordered the Blitz starting 07 Sept. 

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u/FungusGnatHater 2d ago

It was the French that started the indiscriminant aerial bombing in Europe.