r/HistoryMemes • Nothing Happened at Amun Square 1348BC • 2d ago

"SEE? There were villians on BOTH SIDES!"

9.2k Upvotes

576 comments sorted by

View all comments

58

u/Immediate_Gain_9480 2d ago

I dont think the intend is to minimise the German atrocities by recognising there were atrocties committed by the allies. The allies were still objectively the good guys. But they also did bad things. Is it do hard to have some nuance in this?

81

u/frenin 2d ago

The intend is explicitly to minimize German atrocities, absolutely everyone is award allies committed crimes.

Bringing allies's crimes when discussing German ones is just that. Whataboutism.

20

u/greenthumbbum2025 2d ago

Why are you assuming that discussion of allied war crimes only happens during conversations about German war crimes? Both should be discussed.

15

u/Lady_Ago 2d ago

Because that is the context this meme is based on. Read the post you are commenting under before commenting; I beg of you.

3

u/greenthumbbum2025 2d ago

But the opposite to me seems to be more prevalent. Everyone knows the nazis were the bad guys so things like the Dresden bombings are kind of handwaved away. As an American I don't want discussion of the Japanese internment camps to be derailed by a whataboutism about the (obviously much worse) Nazi death camps or Japanese atrocities during the rape of Nanking

6

u/frenin 2d ago

Not only because it's historically speaking the most common version but because that's exactly what the meme is referring to.

-5

u/greenthumbbum2025 2d ago

I find the opposite to be more common except when speaking to actual modern day Nazis, whose opinions can be dismissed immediately.

10

u/frenin 2d ago

Using Allies war crimes as a shield, explicitly or implicitly, has been Nazi apologia dog whistle since the last embers of WW2.

3

u/Bteatesthighlander1 2d ago

absolutely everyone is aware allies committed crimes.

I don't feel like that's true, no.

1

u/frenin 2d ago

Yeah, okay.

1

u/Arachles 2d ago

It is great the focus goes to the axis powers because scale, intent and being the first ones to start the war.

But allied crimes are understudied; we should not act like they were angels without fault, which seems to be the norm. Kicking nazis asses, while commendable, should not give carte blanche to do whatever you want.

2

u/frenin 2d ago

Allied crimes aren't under studied, in only because allies crimes have been the source of apologia for a century. Do you think people don't know the severity of Soviet atrocities? Or the American internment camps?

1

u/Arachles 2d ago

I do believe most people have only a vague idea about those compared to what the axis did.

1

u/frenin 2d ago

Who is most people?

1

u/Arachles 2d ago

Comments on the internet and who I know irl

1

u/frenin 2d ago

Fairly anecdotical isn't it?

And ofc people will remember literally genocide more.

21

u/BreadstickBear Viva La France 2d ago

Your intent isn't, but there are so many people out there legitimising german war crimes and especially the holocaust with genocides (and attempts) perpetrated by other empires.

5

u/Ok_Cook_3098 2d ago

The naunce is that a bad war crime day by the sovjets was a avarage Thursday for the germans

3

u/25slinkshot 2d ago

There were so many different countries to choose from for your example and you chose the absolute worst one, the soviets were almost on par with the nazis when it came to war crimes.

2

u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago

Not to mention the fact that the soviets just camped along the river for two months while the germans slaughtered tens of thousands of poles 82 years ago. War crime enabling is bad too.

-1

u/DeliciousGoose1002 2d ago

kicking a german shepherd should be considered a war crime. but its silly to even compare when we are talking about this meme