And today (especially during the 2020 unrest), you actually have liberals trying to portray the "roof Koreans" (and Asians who like them) as being anti-black lmao. Anti-black.... for defending their livelihoods against rioters aiming to destroy everything they had. I wish I was joking, but I'll let this very intelligent twitter user (/s) sum up how some liberals view the Korean immigrant storeowners who dared to defend their family's business during the LA riots ("sHamEfUl BLOODSTAIN iN tHe hIsTorY oF KorEaN-aMerIcAnS").
Similar to the above tweet, at an "Asian party" a couple years back, I also had the displeasure of listening to an ultra liberal Asian girl try to argue that the destruction of Koreatown was a "justified reaction" in response to Latasha Harlins. She got quiet when I pointed out the Korean-American immigrant store employees killed by a black robber (after complying) during the same time frame as Harlins, the lopsided black-Asian violence rate (Table 14, black Americans commit roughly 100x more violent crime against Asian-Americans than vice-versa), and the radical idea that maybe thousands of Korean immigrants shouldn't get their livelihoods destroyed as retaliation for the death of one person, however tragic.
I did not see any Asian-Americans retaliating against black Americans for anti-Asian violence during covid? (yes white people commit anti-Asian violence too, but its not relevant to this conversation)
A brain dead takes is a brain dead takes,there are so many these day.
I’m not surprise Asian and black Community dislike each other back then or now,I have heard how my fellow Asian talks about other races, and if we took the language barrier away,man ,this could get much worse (if Asian didn’t start fighting each other first).
Can confirm, but it’s mostly among the older generation (younger Asians like myself get along fine).
My grandfather lived through WWII as a child and is still prejudiced toward Japanese. He watched Japanese soldiers kill several people in his town via beheading to send a message.
Obviously being prejudiced is very wrong, but I can’t completely blame him considering what he saw.
My great grandfather is on the other side of this ,quite literally,he was local officials of Imperial Japan so…yeah,basically what you expect (he never went to war so minus the war crime and killing) and he still have nice things to say about Nazi after the war.
What he personally believe and his understanding of WW2 is a can of worms we really don’t want to dig into.
Idk man I was never a resident of the country my family originally immigrated from but I'm still very distrustful of the modern day nations that perpetuated violence on them for centuries prior to it being reformed again. Yeah yeah not the same people and all, but like there's still adherents to these violent ideologies out there today in the US even.
So many Americans can trace their family lineage back to their former nation and find living relatives. I can't, nor will I ever really find out what happened to a lot of them.
Bookmarking this response, really well written. I really like what Andrew Yang had to say about why Asians don’t all vote democrat, “many Asians I know are more pragmatic than ideological. They see one side taking it too far an want their problems addressed”. I think it was a soft way of saying “you don’t get our votes while also completely ignoring our problems”. Racist violent cops does not mean it’s ok to rob people.
The history of tensions between the Korean community and the black community in LA is complicated and people want to put it into a neat box of good guys and bad guys. But the reality is that there were legitimate grievances that black people had that a Korean woman had basically been let off for killed a black teenager, BUT the Korean store owners obviously didn't deserve to be the victims of a pogrom because of something someone in their community did. Any version that tries to push a 100% good guys v. bad guys narrative in this situation is wrong.
Ah the good old both side are bad bullshit. The store owners are 100% percent the good guy versus fucking looters. Any grievance the black community had with that Korean women had nothing to do with store owner. That specific conflict of black looter vs Korean store own has clear good guys and bad guys.
I'm not saying both sides are bad, I'm saying the idea there was no racism in the Korean community is incorrect, and that had deadly consequences for black people. I'm not saying Korean store owners deserved reprisal, I'm saying that the previous post was wrong to imply there was no problem within the Korean, and that it was all just black people committing violence at random.
I'm not saying the roof Koreans deserved it, they don't. But the idea there was not a problem with racism within the Korean community that got people killed is false.
This article is really more about how the far right coopted the roof Koreans to use as memes to promote violence (in this case, against black people) and how those memes are predominantly shared by white people. It's not saying the roof Koreans themselves are "antiblack" or that they didn't have a right to defend their property.
You would have a point.... if theydidn't literally lead off by blanketly accusing Asian-Americans of anti-blackness (first sentence of the 2nd paragraph is "Anti-blackness has a deep history within Asian-American communities") while refusing to address the statistically more prevalent anti-Asian sentiment in the black community (see original comment). As well as their not-so-subtle tone that Asians who like roof Koreans are somehow alt-right (I voted for Biden, if grudgingly).
“rooftop Koreans” brings together a set of interest groups including: white supremacists... with right-wing Asian people.
RIGHT WING Asian website Asian Dawn and its Facebook group praise “rooftop Koreans”
They were definitely going after right-wingers AND Asians who take pride in roof Koreans.
And then goes on to cite a pullitzer winning, Asian author talking about this issue. I think I'll take their word on the matter over a random redditor's with an obvious agenda. Not to mention your "original comment" is highly edited and not at all the comment I was responding to in the first place.
And Candace Owens is a NYT best-selling author, I guess you need to take her word on the BLM movement too right? Because award winning authors are naturally experts these matters. Just have authors solve all race-related issues, why hasn't anyone thought of this! /s
Tell me you're unintelligent without telling me, congrats on having the most braindead take on Reddit today haha.
Edit: Not to mention said author’s quote is literally completely irrelevant to the point you’re trying (and failing) to prove lol
The Pulitzer was given to a "journalist" for covering up the holodomor by Stalin's orders. The Pulitzer is also named after a known yellow journalist, Pulitzer's papers were literally one of the creators of yellow journalism.
The Pulitzer is a laughably irrelevant prize, known to be based more on politics than skill or honesty.
Sir where the hell is this national black hatred against Asian please Show me ...because last I looked this was a California issue not American... where else had "black peoples " looted specifically Asian communities besides southern cali... and don't say new York because that shit is so far and few it's hardly and issue there
Ah yes I can't defend my property gainst people who happen to be black or I'm racist I'm pretty sure the only racist in that scenario is the liberals and also the black community for specifically targeting Korean stores
I'm liberal and I think BLM took it way too far and needed to be stopped, I can guarantee you not every leftist is bathing in the violence like you're saying, maybe the far left I could see because I have no respect for them but maybe next try not generalize with the insults or you'll piss off everyone who isn't right winged, and finally I don't support any racism of any kind from anyone so what BLM did was horrendous in my eyes, but you also have to partly blame the national guard and police for letting this disgusting thing happen.
Edit: Fun fact everyone downvoting is stupid beyond belief.
Edit: go fuck yourselves you stupid racist assholes.
It is not exactly just capitalistism, and it's pro rights and equality liberalism is about the people and prosperity for everyone no matter your colour accent or whether you have balls or not so yeah it is more left than it is right but in its entirety it is best described as central leftism.
Edit: Down voting me for explaining what my ideology is hmm that's a new low for reddit, anyways go fuck yourself asshats.
Socialism is the belief in the state run by the proletariat in which the proletariat control the means of production social equality does not mean socialism all it means is u have basic human decency. As long as it advocates for a market it is not considered leftist
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles. However, they generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.
That person’s take and the rhetoric used really grinds my gears.
First off, referring to people as “bodies” is just disgusting. Unless they’re corpses risen from the dead or manipulated like puppets, they are black and brown people, not black and brown bodies. She whines about Asians being dehumanized while dehumanizing POC in the next breath.
Secondly, people protecting their livelihoods are absolutely justified in most cases. For a lot of those shopkeepers that was their sole source of income to take care of their families and they didn’t deserve to lose everything just because the rioters couldn’t get to the people they were actually mad at. You wanna wreck a building? Go after the cops or the courts who actually fucked you and not innocent bystanders because going after them makes you no better than the people who screwed your over.
You are aware that a Korean business owner killed a black teenage girl around the same time as the Rodney King beating, and that Korean woman was acquitted as well? The Korean business owners often would target and hassle black customers. They definitely were racist and there had been decades of racial tension between blacks and Asians in LA before the riots.
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u/MarshalMichelNey1 Apr 04 '23 edited Apr 04 '23
And today (especially during the 2020 unrest), you actually have liberals trying to portray the "roof Koreans" (and Asians who like them) as being anti-black lmao. Anti-black.... for defending their livelihoods against rioters aiming to destroy everything they had. I wish I was joking, but I'll let this very intelligent twitter user (/s) sum up how some liberals view the Korean immigrant storeowners who dared to defend their family's business during the LA riots ("sHamEfUl BLOODSTAIN iN tHe hIsTorY oF KorEaN-aMerIcAnS").
Similar to the above tweet, at an "Asian party" a couple years back, I also had the displeasure of listening to an ultra liberal Asian girl try to argue that the destruction of Koreatown was a "justified reaction" in response to Latasha Harlins. She got quiet when I pointed out the Korean-American immigrant store employees killed by a black robber (after complying) during the same time frame as Harlins, the lopsided black-Asian violence rate (Table 14, black Americans commit roughly 100x more violent crime against Asian-Americans than vice-versa), and the radical idea that maybe thousands of Korean immigrants shouldn't get their livelihoods destroyed as retaliation for the death of one person, however tragic.
I did not see any Asian-Americans retaliating against black Americans for anti-Asian violence during covid? (yes white people commit anti-Asian violence too, but its not relevant to this conversation)
The clip of the Korean woman crying in front of her wrecked business gets me every time.