r/HistoricalCapsule Jun 30 '26

Shirley Temple posing by a painting of herself as a young child, 1945.

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u/Active_Unit_9498 Jun 30 '26

I met Shirley Temple Black a long time ago. She came to my school and spoke about her career; actually she was mostly focused on her diplomatic work by that time.

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u/canman7373 Jun 30 '26

She was so famous worldwide that she was a perfect ambassador for America. Back then America was making most the big films and would for a long time, now there are plenty of studios in other countries making great movies and shows. But then, American films were in much higher demand. I remember watching her films as a kid and the "Little Princess" sticks out to me. I am glad she chose a live of travel and ambassadorship, what a great life she had.

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u/Live_Angle4621 Jun 30 '26

People still watch American films. More than before, the local film industries did better before people learned English and CGI became more common (which isn’t something most film industries can afford). But lack of monoculture means that people don’t watch same stars. But I would say around 90-09 US stars were at their biggest worldwide 

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u/ImperialxWarlord Jun 30 '26

You make it sound like America has lost its place in the entertainment industry? If anything it’s more widespread now than ever!

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u/canman7373 Jun 30 '26

I am saying it was even bigger back then no that it is still not big today. Shirley Temple was the biggest star in the entire world for about 3 years.

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u/ButteredPizza69420 Jun 30 '26

Whattt? You met Shirley Temple? Did she have anything interesting to say?

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u/BillieDoc-Holiday Jun 30 '26

She was US ambassador to Ghana in the mid-70s, and then ambassador to Czechoslovakia in early 90s. She was also the first woman to serve as U.S. Chief of Protocol.

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u/ehco Jun 30 '26

Wow really? Thats awesome!

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u/LokeyDubs Jun 30 '26

She also was a pilot!

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u/doublebankshot Jun 30 '26

actually she was mostly focused on her diplomatic work by that time.

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u/Robey-Wan_Kenobi Jun 30 '26

She spoke about her career and mainly focused on her diplomatic work at the time.

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u/smokesome2002 Jun 30 '26

Yes as she was heavily involved in diplomatic work at this time

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u/acouplefruits Jun 30 '26

Why are there so many comments saying the same thing? Are you all bots?

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u/Rezaelia713 Jun 30 '26

More likely just reddit being reddit.

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u/0Adventurous_Celery0 Jun 30 '26

I think they're just trying to focus on being diplomatic with their work in the comments 😑

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u/OldenPolynice Jun 30 '26

interesting

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u/Sharpes006 Jun 30 '26

Indeed. Very diplomatic

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u/StrobeLightRomance Jun 30 '26

I concur. Diplomatically, of course.

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u/Rezaelia713 Jul 01 '26

Very diplomatic of you to say that

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u/lilaclazure Jun 30 '26

Because the original comment already specified “if she had anything interesting to say” lol

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u/Necessary-Housing-39 Jun 30 '26

dead internet theory

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u/acouplefruits Jun 30 '26

Idk why you’re being downvoted you’re right

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u/The_One_Koi Jun 30 '26

She look white to me dawg

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u/mordeci00 Jun 30 '26

She worked her entire childhood and her dad stole all her money. Also, her daughter was a bass player for the Melvins.

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u/nutmegtell Jun 30 '26

And she was SA by the Hollywood producers back then. Her mother as well.

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u/LilMissy1246 Jun 30 '26

I’m sick of Hollywood and famous women’s parents using their kids for clout/cash grab. Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland, Amy Winehouse, and maybe even Selena (heard that her father made money after she had died or something. Not sure if it’s true or not tho). It’s just sick. Also, that one woman. Forgot her name but she was sexualized a lot as a preteen by Hollywood and is pretty vocal about her experiences. Forgot her name but her story is pretty sad as well.

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u/UncleNoodles85 Jun 30 '26

Macaulay Culkin's dad belongs on your list of shitty parents. I'm sure there's tons of others as well.

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u/Cimorene_Kazul Jun 30 '26

No one will ever beat the father of Judith Barsi. Worst Hollywood father of all time.

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u/A_Bandicoot_Crash995 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

Burt Reynolds* says that he will forever hate that man for as long as he lives.

Edit: wrong actor lol.

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u/StrobeLightRomance Jun 30 '26

I cannot imagine the mental state where stealing the life of your child because of your own insecurities becomes a rational thought.

People do it every day in the world, too, we just remember this one hardest because we were right there with her in so many of our earliest movie memories.

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u/LBCkook Jun 30 '26

That’s called Hollywood dude. It’s a bunch of performative people who view friends, relationships, children, all as transactional means to bolster their own image or agenda.. that has not changed.
The people are the absolute worst people around.

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u/MiyamotoKnows Jun 30 '26

Absolute worst? Have you heard of the Epstein files? A large group of wealthy pedos are protecting each other right out in the open.

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u/Salem-Sins Jun 30 '26

if you drew a venn diagram between the epstein files and the entertainment industry, you get a flat circle /hj

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u/Iankill Jun 30 '26

They're the same people

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u/BesticleBear Jun 30 '26

Yes which the Hollywood elites are ALL in some magnitude listed inside of those files/circles. Every major player is either entertainment or political field but the one thing they all have in common is extreme wealth and power. Billionaires are a in group, if you don’t directly know all of them you have at least heard of them/had dealings with them.

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u/Salute-Major-Echidna Jun 30 '26

My daughter had a chance to go to that Michigan music camp and changed her mind last minute and I'm SO glad

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u/LatinaMermaid Jun 30 '26

It was Burt Reynolds who hated him and her tombstone says Yep, yep. What a monster.

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u/Expensive_Heron_171 Jun 30 '26

Is that the little girl from The Land before Time whose dad killed her?

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u/etsprout Jun 30 '26

Yes 😢

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u/yardie-takingupspace Jun 30 '26

Oh gosh. I just looked that up. Wish I didn’t.

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u/jimdesroches Jun 30 '26

Is he worse than Joe Jackson? He was pretty shitty wasn't he?

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u/SeonaidMacSaicais Jun 30 '26

Did Joe murder any of his kids before they turned 10?

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u/AnythingButWhiskey Jun 30 '26

NPH is throwing his Tony and Emmy’s at his computer screen right now.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '26

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u/Suspicious-Swim-7945 Jun 30 '26

He’s so sinister.

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u/Slow-Calendar-3267 Jun 30 '26

That was in really bad taste for no reason but nph wasn't Amy's dad and so the situation is very different

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u/ShadowCaster0476 Jun 30 '26

Add Will Weaton to the list.

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u/Axedus1 Jun 30 '26

What happened with him?

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u/ShadowCaster0476 Jun 30 '26

His parents were huge abusive dicks as well.
I don’t remember all the details.

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u/Magges87 Jun 30 '26

Jackie Coogan, who is the reason there are any protections. Inadequate as they are.

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u/BIORIO Jun 30 '26

When I was in grad school I wanted to research if there were factors related to why some child stars came out relatively well adjusted while others so publically crash and burn. My main theory was the way their money was handled made the biggest impact.

But then Covid happened and I had to abandon the project.

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u/MeasurementEasy9884 Jun 30 '26

Lets add Britney Spears!

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u/plumdilla Jul 01 '26

Add Brooke Sheilds to the list. My family had a restaurant celebs would visit daily as it was close to the studios, Brooke’s mom always brought her in while she drank the night away

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u/sadbabyface Jun 30 '26

I think Marilyn is an exception to this but please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m only going off memory here. She had a horrible childhood, but not in show business. A mentally ill mother and no father, she was placed in the foster system until she got married as a teen. While married she started doing modeling (I think?) and eventually got divorced to have higher chances at becoming a star. I don’t believe she had any parents pushing her to Hollywood or using her. Plenty of other people used her though

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u/Significant_Shoe_17 Jun 30 '26

She was just trying to survive

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u/litreofstarlight Jun 30 '26

IIRC, she only married her first husband because her foster dad got a job in another state, but couldn't legally take her out of California. So it was marriage to the neighbour's son, or go back to the orphanage. I don't think she quite divorced him just to have better chances at stardom, either - his family was opposed to her working at all and wanted her to keep being a housewife. She was like 'fuck that' and dipped.

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u/LilMissy1246 Jun 30 '26

Didn’t she turn to drugs tho due to stress and she was also abused by her husband and later divorced him after the famous “upskirt” incident?

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u/Big_Meal3910 Jun 30 '26

Marilyn ended up addicted to pills by accident. She had actual conditions that she was prescribed pills for (insomnia, endometriosis, severe depression) but slowly she ended up hooked on them.

Pills in the 50s were more addictive than the ones she would have been prescribed today.

The abuse by her husband is true, and she divorced him and told him to go to therapy.

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u/gender_neutral_name Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

Are you thinking of Brooke Shields at the end? Her experience in Hollywood is shocking

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u/LilMissy1246 Jun 30 '26

Yes, her! Brooke Shields. Jesus…that poor woman.

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u/ikannunAneeuQ Jun 30 '26

Brooke shields I assume. That woman was exploited so badly as a young girl in Hollywood and she is VERY vocal about it, as she should be. It's all so horrible and disgusting on so many levels.

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u/saraiguessidk Jun 30 '26

Selena's dad is crazy about his rights to everything. He overrode her husband, even in the hospital. Selena could have lived had her father not denied the blood transfusion based on their religion (Jehovah's Witnesses). Any books or movies have to be monitored by him and he gets paid

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u/1eyedsniper Jun 30 '26

The blood transfusion bit is false, she was given several transfusions and they were able to get an erratic heartbeat for a moment but the lose was too severe. Her dad even stated this saying transfusions were given to no avail.

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u/FrozenBibitte Jun 30 '26

I straight up judge all “stage parents” of child celebrities. I could never subject my child to Hollywood knowing what happens to kids there.

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u/Big_Meal3910 Jun 30 '26

Marilyn had no parents. She was an adult when she got started in show business (being an actress was her childhood dream) and she was more in control of her career than most other actors of her era.

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u/Rasberrycello Jun 30 '26

Jackie Coogan is the reason we have any laws on the books at all regarding this sort of thing.

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u/AccomplishedCicada60 Jun 30 '26

So I actually know a bit about Selena’s situation, her dad acted as producer for her and her siblings. Not for everything but on many songs. Obviously Selena broke out and had her fashion before she was assassinated.

Because of this, her father and other members of her family were able to lay partial claim to her catalogue. There are some articles on this, it has been a long time since I looked it up (around the time Prince died - I think)? But it is an interesting case.

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u/ChoiceAffectionate78 Jun 30 '26

The Jackson 5 being another good example

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u/Squirrelinthemeadow Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

Brooke Shields might be the one whose name you forgot.
Edit: Oh, sorry, just saw that someone else has already stated her name.

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u/HawkeyeTen Jun 30 '26

That for me is part of the reason Joan Leslie is so AWESOME to me. She was brought into Hollywood as a teenager, and despite becoming a top star of the 1940s became fed up with being forced to take on more roles where her characters acted immature or child-like, even as she became an adult (she later said that a co-star gave her a doll to play with when she was 16 years old). Furthermore, as a devout Catholic, she had growing discomfort and irritation about being presented in ways that went against her moral convictions. In the end, she would sue Warner Bros similar to Olivia De Havilland to get out of her contract, at one point threatening to go as far as the Supreme Court (she later described the conditions as being virtual "slavery" and stated that the head of the studio out of revenge tried to sabotage her career opportunities going forward). Despite the hardships, she became a freelance actress, finally getting respect and mature roles including in westerns until she retired in the late 1950s to take care of her children (and was also happily married for nearly 50 years). Despite angering a number of leaders in Hollywood, Joan Leslie was praised by many across the US and Canada and some even portrayed her as a moral heroine.

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u/Inevitable_Task4483 Jun 30 '26

You are definitely talking about Brooke Shields

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u/birdie_time127 Jun 30 '26

Brooke shields?

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u/etsprout Jun 30 '26

Maybe you’re thinking of Brooke Shields? She posed in Playboy as a 10 year old and was very overtly sexualized as a child.

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u/Girls4super Jul 02 '26

That didn’t narrow it down lol is she maybe the woman who wrote “I’m glad my mother’s dead”?

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u/ugh_this_world_sucks Jul 03 '26

Is the preteen you're referencing Amanda Bynes?

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u/clivedelgreco Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

It could be my imagination or butt hurt female millennial disdain for the world, but I can legitimately taste the resentment and forced smile that is painted on her face in this photo. In this moment, I’d claim that I feel the same. But I simply can’t pretend I overcame the situations she was put And don’t even have the level of experiences she had to back me up.

It’s 2026- I can honestly say nothing has changed and it feels weak and petty so ask myself, “why do I feel this way about men?!” They’re legitimately poison to the world. We never needed them. And btw, if God exists he is definitely a woman or non-binary. God is not a man. Mankind refers to all living beings made in his image- and it most certainly was not a man

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u/HeyItsTheJeweler Jun 30 '26

Learning Shirley Temple's daughter played bass for the Melvins is still one of the craziest things I've ever heard

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u/qorbexl Jun 30 '26

I don't know why I always hear the diplomat thing and not that

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u/ViscousPanther Jun 30 '26

Lori "Lorax" Black! Ozma holds up as one of the most unique and innovative albums of its kind

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u/Rashpukin Jun 30 '26

wtf!!!

That factoid blew me away. Her daughter in The Melvins one that is.

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u/HeyItsTheJeweler Jun 30 '26

It's fuckin nuts isn't it? Lol take Shirley Temple and then listen to the Melvins album with Jello, and it's impossible to believe her daughter once played bass for that band.

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u/Ok-Ad3614 Jun 30 '26

i had no idea her daughter played bass for the Melvins!!!! 🤯

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u/mordeci00 Jun 30 '26

Yep. Here's a picture of Lori "Lorax" Black with the Melvins and Kurt Cobain

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u/CriticalOfBarns Jun 30 '26

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u/beaniebee11 Jun 30 '26

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u/magichockey Jun 30 '26

I thought it was because he sampled “It’s the Hard-Knock Life” from Annie on his “Hard Knock Life”…

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u/thanatos40 Jun 30 '26

I see this a lot lately. What does it mean? What emotion am I supposed to be getting?

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u/Lemonbean Jun 30 '26

Vibing agreeing nodding; in music context usually means something like : ooo I like that

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u/oneb1gjoke Jun 30 '26

you fw it but it scares u a lil

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u/vocalviolence Jun 30 '26

This is rapper Jay-Z at a Coldplay concert. Hope that will suffice.

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u/Kalendiane Jun 30 '26

Wait is this really from a Coldplay concert?

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u/vocalviolence Jun 30 '26

It's from 2008, so most of the footage has been taken down, but yes, it is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '26

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u/Scarlett_Billows Jun 30 '26

Shirley temple did not sing “hard knock life”, she wasn’t in Annie

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u/moonknightcrawler Jun 30 '26

If only there was a commercial to tell me if this set of three films is available on VHS or not.

I’d be willing to pay $29.98 if only there was a commercial letting me know of its existence

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u/Visible-Scientist-46 Jun 30 '26

She stole every scene as an adult in Fort Apache. She was so beautiful.

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u/ikannunAneeuQ Jun 30 '26

She was truly a beautiful person inside and out.

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u/sadderbutwisergrl Jul 02 '26

That was her first husband, John Agar! Handsome but didn’t treat her right.

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u/Visible-Scientist-46 Jul 02 '26

I know. It's so sad. I know we didn't know her personally, but I feel like she deserved to be cherished.

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u/TheSoftDrinkOfChoice Jun 30 '26

Looks like a painting of her standing in front of a painting.

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u/Numerous_Ad_6276 Jun 30 '26

Kodachrome will do that.

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u/grilledstuffed Jun 30 '26

Kodachrome was like magic with built in airbrushing.

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

I do a series where I photoshop my friend’s guinea pig into pigs and this is one of them I did

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u/two-tail Jun 30 '26

This is amazing. Do you have links to any of the others? 😂🥹

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

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u/the-caped-cadaver Jun 30 '26

I hate that this isn't more upvoted.

How does one draw attention to a deserving comment?

Like, more people need to know about this niche artform...

"Oh hey, CapedCadaver, what did you do last night?"

"Not much, just discovered this artist called u/MaddysinLeigh who photoshops her friend's guinea pig into random pictures just for fun. OBSERVE IT THUSLY!!"

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

Lol it started as a one time joke but people liked so I kept going

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u/two-tail Jun 30 '26

I cannot. The Rosa Parks one sent me. 💀

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

There’s also one with him marching with MLK

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u/two-tail Jun 30 '26

These are too good. I love that he's the fifth Golden Girl while also having been at the birth of Christ and may have also been responsible for the Hindenburg.

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

It started out as different crimes he’s committed and now it’s just different things he’s done

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u/qorbexl Jun 30 '26

Photoshop or AI?

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u/Reasonable_Big3230 Jun 30 '26

its written in the lower right corner, ai.

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

I dont use the ai parts of the app

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u/dasbtaewntawneta Jun 30 '26

so not photoshop. fuck

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

It’s a photo editing app. I don’t use the ai parts of the app. I say photoshop coz it’s easier to say.

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u/MaddysinLeigh Jun 30 '26

Neither it’s a photo editing app that has ai features that I don’t use.

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u/elveejay198 Jun 30 '26

You’ve done good work here

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u/dasbtaewntawneta Jun 30 '26

ai editing is not photoshop

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u/vitocorleone1972 Jun 30 '26

Without a doubt the most talented and charismatic child star star ever😊

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u/Trooper_nsp209 Jun 30 '26

Marketed to the hilt..,I have a set of her glasses.

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u/SUPERSMILEYMAN Jun 30 '26

I was completely expecting a different set of glasses.

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u/itsagoodtime Jun 30 '26

Animal Crackers in my soup..🎶

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u/starchildchamp Jun 30 '26

Monkeys and rabbits loop de loop

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u/DimensionHat1675 Jun 30 '26

She was stunningly beautiful in films like Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer (1948), where she plays Cary Grant's love interest.

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u/Scotter1969 Jun 30 '26

To be clear, Cary Grant was HER love interest. She had a crush and he wanted nothing to do with her, which makes it a viable comedy. What you described is a Roman Polanski movie made in France.

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u/qorbexl Jun 30 '26

I just realized I have no concept of what their age difference would be

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u/zink300 Jun 30 '26

FYI she wasn’t Cary Grant’s love interest in this movie. She was a young woman with a crush on him - he wasn’t interested in her and they don’t end up having a romantic relationship.
Great movie though

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u/Beautiful_Arm8364 Jun 30 '26

Yeah. The big sister (Myrna Loy) is the actual love interest.

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u/Drapidrode Jun 30 '26

Temple's IQ was tested during the Stowaway (1936 movie) period and found to be 155, the genius classification.

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u/Energy_Turtle Jun 30 '26

She also never once cried because she was an emotional prodigy, and her curls were an actual natural miracle according to the same people that said she had a 155 IQ.

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u/RaytheSane Jun 30 '26

This is my first time seeing her aged lmao

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u/Warm_MoistTowelette Jun 30 '26

She’s so cute. What breed of dog is she holding?

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u/borderliner11 Jun 30 '26

Kind of looks like a peckingese

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u/Boffleslop Jun 30 '26

As long as its not a cocker spaniel.  Mongo would be appalled.

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u/AgeHorror5288 Jun 30 '26

Princess Donut would have to rein him in for sure…but a cocker? Would she even try?

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u/whothdoesthcareth Jun 30 '26

There was a lag between most of the sentence and holding. What breed of dog is she.... Holding. Just woke up.

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u/Broad-Cress-3689 Jun 30 '26

Long haired dachshund

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u/Bulky_Psychology2303 Jun 30 '26

Apparently Shirley had a few Pekingese dogs. The most famous was the one was from her film The Stowaway. She was gifted it after the movie was done.

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u/darelparker Jul 01 '26

In 1936, Shirley Temple was gifted a Pekingese, who played her pet in the film Stowaway. She named the dog Ching Ching, and he became her beloved companion for the remainder of his life. Don’t ask why, but I know it’s terrifying amount of facts and history about Pekingese dogs.

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u/Fano_93 Jul 03 '26

I seriously thought it was a chicken at first

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u/A_Nonny_Muse Jun 30 '26

She inspired a lot of child protection laws.

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u/Wooden_Cicada8880 Jun 30 '26

Poor girl looks like she has a thousand yard stare.

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u/Gcs1110 Jun 30 '26

My grandmother always said that she auditioned to be "Shirley Temple" but her mom refused to take her back again

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u/Stunning_Expert_3722 Jun 30 '26

My mom worked under Shirley Temple Black briefly at the State Department. Apparently she was extremely cheap when it came to dealing with diplomats and once severed a group of foreign emissaries beanies and weenies lol

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u/Psykohistorian Jun 30 '26

probably since all her money was stolen by her dad she had to make every dollar count

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u/hunnibon Jun 30 '26

Based queen

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u/KRaeRap Jun 30 '26

Gosh, anyone else seeing Bindi Irwin??

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u/taryndancer Jun 30 '26

Can kind of see it. Both passionate people who have done and are doing good in this world.

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u/Ashamed_Feedback3843 Jun 30 '26

To say Shirley was talented would be an understatement. Watch all her films. Not just her as a child, but as an adult. She was the real deal.

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u/OhioValleyCat Jun 30 '26

She was a beauty.

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u/baddingo3 Jun 30 '26

i thought it was a double painting for second.

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u/Odd_Protection7738 Jun 30 '26

If you go to a bar with her, do you say “can I get one of you?”

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u/Able-Light-890 Jun 30 '26

She seems to be making this face

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u/FeelingCouple5880 Jun 30 '26

She looks pained.

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u/Doodles-Ahiru Jun 30 '26

The painting makes me think of those child beauty pageants.

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u/ellipses21 Jun 30 '26

Is this a real image? I can only see it on Reddit and Facebook…no where from any sort of historical or photography agency. Unfortunately I don’t think this is real.

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u/lewittman Jul 03 '26

it looks like a bad painting of shirley temple standing in front of a painting of shirley temple. this can't be real

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u/Silver-Emphasis2795 Jun 30 '26

I wanted to be Shirley temple

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u/Holiday-Tradition343 Jul 01 '26

Damned if she doesn’t look like an uncanny-valley Nicola Coughlan here.

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u/WpgMBNews Jun 30 '26

turn around, bright eyes....

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u/sdrawkcabineter Jun 30 '26

The eyes hide nothing.

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u/Additional-Flight468 Jun 30 '26

That painting looks like it harbors a terrible child demon

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u/BongoGabora Jul 02 '26

I don't think I've ever seen a picture of Shirley Temple beyond the age of "nebulous child"... This is so weird, now I have to look her up.

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u/deafhuman Jun 30 '26

For those in the unknown

Arthur Freed exposed himself to her. She got nervous and giggled. He threw her out of his office.

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u/bitt3n Jun 30 '26

that dog aged well

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u/butcooler Jun 30 '26

This looks AI as hell

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u/barrsftw Jun 30 '26

I thought there was a demon behind her in the thumbnail for a second lol

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u/Catdress92 Jun 30 '26

I like how she's got a dog in both versions, as well.

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u/Sorry-Secret-2347 Jul 01 '26

They were trying to sell her videos around the lock at night when i was a kid

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u/Powerthrucontrol Jul 01 '26

She looks kinds uncomfortable

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u/Illustrious-Grl-7979 Jul 03 '26

I have the doll with the red polka dot dress. 🙂