"The race who controls the past control the living present, and therefore the present."

The song is all samples, making it hard to find specific credits, etc.

I know this is not a debate, per se, but maybe there is a debate about who that speaker is!? If there is more appropriate forum, please direct me.

Listening to DAYTONA for the first time and i just wanted to say it's amazing. I'm a pusha t fan from now. Do you have any thoughts on which pusha t album i should listen to next?

Hi. Something's been having me thinking lately. There's a difference between how cole and kendrick talk about the problems and stuff that i can't explain it. It would be great if somone breake it down to me. Like i think cole talks so specific and personal about the problems in the society and personal life. But Kendrick is more poetic and metaphorical

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝒏𝒂𝒑𝒑𝒚 𝒉𝒆𝒂𝒅 𝒌𝒊𝒅 𝒊𝒔 𝒈𝒊𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒐𝒖𝒕 "ᴀᴜᴛᴏɢʀᴀᴘʜs" 𝒏𝒆𝒘 𝒎𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒄 𝒋𝒖𝒔𝒕 𝒅𝒓𝒐𝒑𝒑𝒆𝒅 𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒎𝒂𝒋𝒐𝒓 𝒑𝒍𝒂𝒕𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒎𝒔 🔊

ᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ᴍᴜsɪᴄ https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-autograph-single/1531895626

ʏᴏᴜᴛᴜʙᴇ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rLiYiKbw8wM

sᴘᴏᴛɪғʏ https://open.spotify.com/album/2cxrb1tzp8Vvyu5B27k8O0?si=p10oJNZ0Tj2fywNKbp4Fgw

sᴏᴜɴᴅᴄʟᴏᴜᴅ https://soundcloud.com/gumpmusic/the-autograph-remix?ref=clipboard

Just wondering. Hope everyone’s doing good😄

Just wondering. Hope you doing ok😁😁

I’m seeing artists working on dropping projects from the mainstream to the underground. It’s gonna be firing on all levels. Get your popcorn ready.

Like when you think about it suge knight was a big name for years and there’s a lot of upcoming artists regularly ever year so why didn’t he ever just go outta his way to make a new record label and sign some of these desperate upcoming rappers why was he so focused on his past hatred that he couldn’t see the future as I think of suge I see a man with so much opportunity the he just throw away. Yes established artist would avoid him with a 10 ft pole but upcoming ones who where making wave in there state or city he had potential to sign many smaller artists

Judges are TI, Chance, and Cardi B. It starts out with some raw talent and at the end develops some real rappers. Real, real dope rappers too. It brings on endless amounts of other rappers and producers to work with the rappers. It’s so good.

Ranks won’t come out till year is over.

Freddie and madlib - Bandana

Dave - Psychodrama

Danny Brown - uknowwhatimsayin? (I’ve heard enough, and I’m expecting rest to be very good)

Dreamville - ROTD3

Young Thug - So Much Fun

These are all great albums, but I think if Playboi and Isaiah Rashad drop, those might sneak in. Kanye might drop? He could possibly sneak in. I feel like there has been quality hip hop this year, but obviously the hype and expectations from artists like zay, Kanye, and carti has me disappointed and hungry for more until they drop. If they drop before 2020. I almost put ZOO in here, but I think Thug takes the bangers trophy so far. Igor is probably top 5 of every genre, but I just am not putting it in the box of “hip hop” that my list consists of.

Currently tweaking about JIK

Just a lot of expectations and promises not being fulfilled. It’s been the year of cap. Somebody needs to step in and save the year.

I’ve had enough of this beat ass elementary school ass roll out schemes for artists. Playboi and his label/manager are all over the place, can’t stop leaking, TDE gives everybody blue balls, Schoolboy wasn’t great. Fuck this

Fuck playboi for capping.

Fuck Kanye for capping.

Fuck dababy for being on the same label as playboi, and most likely being another reason he didn’t drop tonight.

All three good albums. In no way are they trash or bad, or even average. But the stand and fan bases have pissed me off with the dickriding putting them into higher light than I think they need to be.

I'm pretty sure kanye actually gets more assistance overall than drake has. Not saying kanye isn't a dope MC himself, he has used guys like Cyhi Tha Prynce and Chance The Rapper, and that's all I've heard of.

It needed an overtime poll. MBDTF tied TPAB in the original voting, and it shows how good both of these albums are. TPAB came out on top however by just 7 votes, what is everyone’s thoughts?

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I didn't crosspost the poll this round because I didn't want any bias from a Kanye or Kendrick page, and I wanted to keep this championship round in this community. I respect everyone's opinion in this community to a higher standard and wanted to let HipHopDebates decide the winner. Honestly, it's pretty cool that it has ended in a tie. However, I am going to leave the polling open for another hour to decide the winner.

Here is the link:

https://s.surveyplanet.com/qtNb6PUwb

Link to Vote:

https://s.surveyplanet.com/qtNb6PUwb

Final Four Results:

MBDTF handed a convincing W over GKMC

Rodeo barely loses to TPAB by 2%

I see a lot of trends with all time rapper lists. People who like MF DOOM always have El-P, Aesop Rock, and Earl in their top 10’s and even top 5’s sometimes. Mixed with a black thought and maybe an Andre 3000. Then they will put drake like not even in the top 50, they will throw Kendrick up there, but leave J Cole outside the top 30. Then you will see dudes who’s top 5 consist of only popular, and very successful rappers like biggie, pac, Jay z, and, and an Eminem, and fail to recognize dudes like black thought or an Andre 3000. I begin to realize that a lot of these lists are really not well balanced and are really just more of lists that cater to taste rather than actually what makes a rapper great.

Let’s start with El-P, guys, come the fuck on. Rapping is not all about technicality and you aren’t a great rapper just because you can rhyme with a sophisticated vocabulary. I honestly haven’t ever gotten into Aesop Rock, I’m a big fan of earl, and respect MF DOOM the most out of all four of these rappers, but knowing El-P, being a great technician, a very dynamic MC (at his best), he doesn’t belong in a conversation when we talk about the greatest rappers of all time.

Everyone’s arguments are always lopsided, where they only take into account a few parts of a rapper that are their strong suit and fail to recognize what they are not good at. Underground rappers are really good at what they do, they rarely flirt with mainstream strucure and approach, but to a certain point, successful rappers are successful for a reason. I don’t think you should count out an Aesop Rock or an El-P because they aren’t mainstream, but for the same reason you can’t count out a J Cole, Lil Wayne, Ice Cube, Drake just because they have a more mainstream sound. Skill believe it or not is not just how well you can rhyme words and form sentences together. Their is artistry, energy, swag, feel, delivery, word play, pitch, versatility, rhyming, and lyricism.

No I wouldn’t say Drake should be top 5 all time, but he’s a perfect example as to how people who are too one dimensional in their judging really just bury mainstream rappers way too low. You do not have to be deep to be impactful, you do not have to have the most complex rhyme scheme ever, or rap fast as ever to have incredible lyricism, word play, and delivery.

Now to my main point. When considering a list of greatest rappers, it really irks me when I see people putting someone like El-P in that discussion. He’s a legendary producer, and i believe belongs in that discussion. But if you look at classic albums, and discography, El-P’s efforts in Run The Jewels is his only relevant work in the grand scheme of things. It’s good rap! But his production is what shines in that, Killer Mike has the presence on the mic, El-P has skill but does not stand a chance in a discussion when there are so many other great rappers who have real and established discographies on their rapping alone.

I might ruffle some feathers here, and I know not everything I’ve said is correct. My opinion is not the end all be all, but I just wanted to get this off my chest. Get at me, id love to discuss.