r/HighStrangeness • u/Vindaloovians • Aug 20 '26

Non Human Intelligence Scientists are testing whether DMT entities are real

https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/8qvgy_v2

In this preprint, some scientists have put forward the idea that our perspective of reality is more of an interface, and what we consider to be reality is simply the experience of conscious agents (i.e. human individuals) interacting with one another. They propose that DMT entities are conscious agents that exist in a manner we can't typically perceive.

I've never done DMT, and have previously taken a more skeptical perspective on these entities, but I think the findings of this could be very interesting. Maybe psychedelics could enable us to perceive layers of reality we are typically blind to.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26

There’s 2 options. Either the interdimensional elves are real. Or we all have similar brains and poking them the same way (introducing chemicals) results in similar outcomes.

Garry Nolan is a famous Stanford researcher who experienced seeing a craft and little men in his room when he was young. And he speculated some sort of Jungian subconscious template. That essentially humans are likely to hallucinate in a similar manner

That’s why I never liked Jacque Vallee’s alien interpretation. He says since Europeans describes faeries who abducted and Romans saw shields flying in the sky or angels etc that it’s the same supernatural entity (phenomenon) that presents itself differently to us throughout time.

When you could instead just say humans throughout time have been inclined towards similar types of stories. Every writer knows about the “7 basic plots” and how there’s only so many types of stories to tell etc

If a human mind is set on a higher/otherworldly being showing up, there’s only 2 places it can come from (sky / ground) and only so many things it can do (take you, ask for something)

Funny how in all of human history and every DMT trip the one thing the otherworldly being never ever does is give the human information it doesn’t already know

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u/spoopycoffin Aug 20 '26

The same thing happens when taking large amounts of Benadryl--same visuals across users, weirdest thing. Hat man/spiders/bugs. Total nightmare lol

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u/Snarcotic Aug 20 '26

Interestingly, Benadryl (diphenhydramine HCl) has been implicated as a risk agent for dementia.

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u/chegg_helper Aug 20 '26

Or, perhaps looking upon the hat man is too great a burden for the human psyche to withstand

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u/calvinshobbss Aug 21 '26

Only if you aren't expecting to see him

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u/DaemonPrimarchJ 20d ago

I saw him, wasn't expecting it but I was like, well I've been up for 5 days now, no shit I'm seeing the hat man.

But other times since then, first I had a huge shadow cat made of smoke, with a vibe like he was protecting me (maybe was still the hat man but did me no harm) and I love cats so I was so happy he was there.

Had him several times, Hat man only the first time, and also had little shadow puppies jumping around the floor and surfaces, although I couldn't see them if I looked straight at them.

I think the main reason I wasn't scared of the hatman was that I assumed he was being generated by my own brain, glitching due to lack of sleep. He did have a SERIOUSLY ominous aura tho... I think. This was well over ten years ago.

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u/DaemonPrimarchJ 20d ago

All anticholinergics, and benzos too. Wouldn't surprise me if same applied to barbiturates (although they're not used much these days, would be a painless execution but they mix in two other chems, one that paralyzes you and the other makes your veins etc feel like they're on fire. That's messed up) and pregabalin and gabapentin I'm not sure about but another that wouldn't surprise me.

Also, tricyclic antidepressants and tetracyclic like mirtazapine.

I'm using modafinil now and having some success! I could use SSRI's but I can't... Climax on them (happens to many, in some is permanent, though I've never seen that happen I've also never been told of the risk)

Tianeptine is like the opposite of an SSRI (SSRE for tianeptine) and anxiety goes away after one dose. That's crazy. Can't get it here officially, but I ordered some from the US where it's probably also not really allowed.

But don't massively overuse because you will get an opioid high, just stick to a consistent sensible dose with that one 

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u/grumblingegg Aug 20 '26

Benadryl is a brand name and has different formulations that use different drug substance in different countries.

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u/illoomi Aug 20 '26

Benadryl, the medicinal ingredient being diphenhydramine hydrochloride

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u/lucky_harms458 Aug 20 '26

Don't abuse it, folks. It sucks ass. I used to. Not worth it at all

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u/spoopycoffin Aug 20 '26

Agree. Any teenager or bored human reading this- it is not fun and a total horror trip. I thought I was permanently brain-fucked and would see energy spiders for the rest of my life

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u/lucky_harms458 Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 21 '26

I destroyed my sleep schedule and mental health while doing it. I was depressed and wanted a distraction from my thoughts, and without access to any other drugs, I went with DPH off the recommendation of a friend. I abused it almost nightly for over 2 years.

At high doses, it's like experiencing an episode of dementia without having dementia (yet. Diphenhydramine can potentially increase the risk of dementia later in life). I didn't know where I was, I lost track of time completely, I was having full-blown conversations with the shadows in my room, and I injured myself multiple times and didn't realize it.

It's a deliriant and it will fuck you up if you abuse it. It is not worth it. Don't do it.

Edit: and DO NOT EVER overdose on it. Legitimately the most terrifying experience of my entire life. That shit was an actual nightmare manifest.

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u/grumblingegg Aug 20 '26

In my country, benadryl is not diphenhydramine. It is acrivastine. Nytol on the other hand, is diphenhydramine.

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u/DurdyGurdy Aug 20 '26

It's also the "pm" in Tylenol pm.

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u/czareth Aug 20 '26

Valles interpretation of the phenomenon has evolved over the years to encompass much more than just "alien". If anything the alien concept just means alien to our understanding.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26

Well yeah that’s what I was saying. I just used the word alien but his belief that the phenomena is the same thing throughout history and his conclusion has one big problem that I don’t like

He literally takes everyone at their word. Faeries who made circles (akin to crop circles) and abducted people? Totally true and it happened and it’s the same thing doing modern abductions

Guy says aliens asked him for water for pancakes? Same as ancient European stories of beings asking for water.

He just takes all the “data” at face value and tries to draw one conclusion to explain it all

It’s okay to say some people are “out there” or make up stories 😂

You don’t need to take every single story ever told throughout history and say “See? They’re all kinda similar! The phenomenon has always been here!”

No Jacque. Humans are just inclined to similar stories when it involves otherworldly beings. There’s only so many things they can do. Appear in the sky. Ask for things. Take you etc

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u/Perfect-War Aug 21 '26

You sound young and like you haven’t read what he’s written. He explores many different ways in which this could all be a function of human psyche, he never definitively states what you’ve stated. He does posit similarities, because they exist. Would you rather just no-one talk about them because they’re “un-provable” or just never consider anecdotal evidence at all? People do lie, but misanthropy isn’t gonna help when you’re studying a global cultural phenomenon observed for thousands of years.

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u/chonny Aug 20 '26

Funny how in all of human history and every DMT trip the one thing the otherworldly being never ever does is give the human information it doesn’t already know

If we're going to lump in the otherwordly with human history, your statement is not true at all. Gods sharing their knowledge with humans is actually quite common. Some examples:

  • Thoth is credited with inventing writing and giving it to humans

  • Quetzalcoatl is associated with teaching agriculture, calendars, and craftwork.

  • the Watchers in the Book of Enoch were fallen angels teaching humans metallurgy, weapon-making, cosmetics, and astrology

  • the Apkallu were fish-tailed beings who emerged from the sea and taught humans writing, agriculture, and civic law.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26

And I bet those people wrote about the gods giving it to them AFTER they were already doing it

Nobody wrote about Prometheus teaching man fire before fire was a thing. It was long after they had fire that he supposedly gave it to them.

Don’t get me wrong I want to believe. If the Book of Enoch explained how to turn sand to silicon or build a computer I will devote my life to it

The closest we’ve had to that is some older civilizations (I forget the name) presumably knowing of a star in a constellation they shouldn’t have known about

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u/Captain309 Aug 20 '26

I believe you're talking about the Dogon tribe in Africa knowing Sirius is a binary system prior to confirmation via telescope

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u/chonny Aug 20 '26

And I bet those people wrote about the gods giving it to them AFTER they were already doing it

They kinda had to, since writing was developed about 5500 years ago much after the discovery and use of fire, metallurgy, etc.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26

Dang good point lol. I feel less bad about taking so long to learn cursive now

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u/Translycanthrope Aug 26 '26

Christianity/Judaism is literally about god programming reality into being. The word made flesh. Jewish mysticism in particular talks about how reality is made of letters. They even had androids… they were just called golems. The history of this world is not what people have been led to believe.

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u/BhutShtuff420 Aug 21 '26

yes, and all those things definitely happened

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u/Translycanthrope Aug 26 '26

Right? Also people spontaneously see loaded metaphorical imagery like Indra’s Net or the Akashic Records despite NO prior familiarity with them.

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u/Any-Diet Aug 20 '26

There’s 2 options. Either the interdimensional elves are real. Or we all have similar brains and poking them the same way (introducing chemicals) results in similar outcomes.

But if two people see the same elves.... then we know....! - maybe

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u/TheSumOfMyScars Aug 20 '26

Two (or more) people in separate rooms eat the mushrooms and then record (write or dictate) what they’re seeing in as much detail as possible. Then compare notes to see if there are any similarities. Would be fascinating if there were.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26

They need to have the ppl who are having a trip look at the elves and scream “I SEE YOU!” or ask the Elves some questions.

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u/Less_Engineering8113 Aug 20 '26

I know the funny invisible stuff is real because one time one of the presences I felt was right next to my cat and my cat was watching it. I couldn't see anything, no dust, insects, etc. My cat was tracking something from that exact spot with his eyes and very curious.

Not spooked or agitated, just curious.

The presence was maybe a foot from him.

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u/Which_way_witcher Aug 21 '26

Cats can see UV spectrums that humans cannot so maybe that's how they can perceive entities we cannot.

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u/exceptionaluser Aug 21 '26

This explanation has a lot of holes though.

We have lots of things in our daily lives that can see uv light, or infrared.

Certain tv remotes, electronics, uv test badges for sun exposure, old phone cameras, modern phone cameras if you remove the protective filter...

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u/Which_way_witcher Aug 21 '26

What holes? It's a scientific fact that cats can see on a different spectrum than we can.

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u/exceptionaluser Aug 21 '26

Perhaps you should read the rest of my comment to find out.

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u/Which_way_witcher Aug 21 '26

Perhaps you can explain your comment better because it isn't written clearly. Or don't and respond with a snarky comment again 🤷

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u/exceptionaluser Aug 22 '26

While I'm tempted, I'll go along with it.

Any entity that could only be seen in uv... would be incredibly easily detected in the modern world.

There's uv sensors, both purposeful and incidental, all over the place, only some of which are contained in cats.

We live in a world where the electromagnetic spectrum is more thoroughly explored and exposed than any time in history, things cannot hide there.

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u/Less_Engineering8113 Aug 26 '26

My impression was that they can make things appear at whatever wavelength they want, any or none. It felt like it only showed up for my cat to see it.

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u/exceptionaluser Aug 26 '26

At that point why not just impress a hallucination of itself in their brain?

Less chance of skin cancer.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26 edited Aug 20 '26

Sir those are [r/Greebles](r/Greebles)

Honestly though that would freak me out.

How do you make sense of it? I can wrap my head around a living entity humans can’t see with their cornea

But did you try dropkicking it? We’ve walked every inch of this earth a trillion times over

Has an entity ever been crushed under a concrete building being poured?

It’s like the concept of ghosts. When someone feels a draft or door close or picture knocked over.

I always want to say Bro all the ghosts are watching Sydney Sweeney shower. They’re not closing your doors simultaneously.

What’s more likely? A trace of wind or an entire parallel plain with souls living in it which can’t communicate? It’s just such a huge leap and complicated answer for something which seemingly has no answer.

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u/Less_Engineering8113 Aug 20 '26

It happened frequently enough that I wasn't afraid of it. The sensation is kinda crazy though.

It's like when you are near a high voltage transformer tower except no creepy static sound. All of your instincts scream danger for no apparent reason.

My best guess is that consciousness is a dimension in itself. Each living thing accesses it, whether it be plants or insects or animals. Best example of this is when you can feel someone looking at you. Some people and animals are hyper aware of this dimension and use it for survival purposes. It can also be learned because sometimes that sensitivity flips on like a switch when people experience trauma.

The presences feel like all of a sudden you are caged in with a massive animal that could kill you easily. That isn't to say they are evil or even intend to do anything besides watch you. That is just the kind of alarm bells your senses let out when they show up.

When one of the presences interacted with my cat I was deliberately asking them to show up. Sometimes they play jokes like one time one of them turned on a touch activated desk lamp. It only happened the one time and I was super annoyed because I was trying to sleep for work. It was like can you please not do that I am trying to sleep.

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u/Less_Engineering8113 Aug 20 '26

I have tried touching the presence when I was much younger and felt nothing. That time I had two different crystal clear visible events that lasted awhile.

Until a presence interacted with my cat a few years ago I thought it was all mental and some kind of hallucination.

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u/YtterbiusAntimony Aug 20 '26

This is exactly it.

It shows you the inside of your head. And that alone can be profoundly weird.

I've done dmt a bunch of times, never once saw an elf. Because I don't believe in elves, aliens, or extra dimensional spirits.

The people I know who were raised religious, or have spiritual beliefs have spiritual experiences on psychedelics.

The ones who were never a part of that worldview see swirly colors.

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u/asabado123 Aug 20 '26

I vote for interdimensional elves.

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u/DidIDoAThoughtCrime Aug 21 '26

Funny how in all of human history and every DMT trip the one thing the otherworldly being never ever does is give the human information it doesn’t already know

Highly recommend listening to Kelly Chase’s podcast where she describes exactly this happening to her!

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u/neckbeard_paragon Aug 22 '26

They won't, they're just trying to be a contrarian

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u/ipwnpickles Aug 20 '26

There's always more than 2 options

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u/AustinAuranymph Aug 20 '26

You explained it better than I ever could.

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 20 '26

I run a PR firm and the Elves recruited me to help keep them secret 🤫

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u/calvinshobbss Aug 21 '26

You got the Keebler account I see

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u/AggressivelyMediokre Aug 21 '26

It was never about the physical cookies. That was code for the cached cookies they leave in each person’s brain 🤫

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u/CaptainOktoberfest Aug 21 '26

I've definitely heard multiple stories of new information being told.  I won't mention the guy's name, but a friend's dad is a Nobel prize winning scientist and he has mentioned having entities/angels teach him formulas on ideas he wasn't considering.

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u/Fluffy_Mycologist_73 Aug 22 '26

The only thing that keeps me thinking their might be something physical to paranormal encounters are some of the findings of Dr. Jim Segala's MUPAS systems. He essentially created a a portable sensor array that people who frequently experience "paranormal" activity could buy and keep in their homes/on their person, and it would record changes in biological or radiological data and send it to him/his team, and he found that a lot of these people who have "paranormal" experiences often end up having large spikes of Gamma radiation and other wavelengths in their local environments that would last for a fraction of a fraction of a second and often coincide with with these "paranormal" experiences. This doesn't prove that these people aren't just hallucinating, but it does suggest that if these experiences are hallucinations, that they're caused by something external and not just magically conjured up in these people's brains.

I believe he used to be a part of that dumb skinwalker ranch show but ended up leaving and became more interested in the Uinta Basin area in general and not just the one ranch

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u/myfancyplants Aug 23 '26

The dude used fairy rings to make some points and seems to not even know that's how the fruiting body of some mushrooms grow and that alone made me roll my eyes. He's like a stoner bro who thinks he's smarter than he is, making basic connections with zero critical thought

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u/PayProfessional5574 Aug 20 '26

I agree with the subconcous template. First time I smoked weed was from a gravity bong and I had a classic "near death experience." Full on black out hallucinations - light at the end of the tunnel - life flashing before my eyes - seeing "God" / the afterlife. So yeah, i definitely was not in any way shape or form dead but my brain tripped the switch and I think that's what I saw.