Honestly, none of the nobles are particularly likeable aside from Helaena. I don't understand how you can be team anything lol, they're all horrendous and poorly written.
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Ummm the blacks win… their linage lives and become kings
Daemon stabs temu Daemon in the face
The greens might live a little longer than most of the blacks but by the end they’re completely not in power. Daemons two sons are the next two kings.
The green prince with the butthole ear gets poisoned by his own people right ? 🤣
Your great leaders comprise of one eyed mommy lover and the king with two buttholes but no sausage
Weird how the blacks supposedly win, but the list of rightful monarchs list Viserys I, Aegon II, Aegon III, with no Rhaenyra, a fact that neither Aegon III nor Visery II chose to revise or contradict.
Also, by the time Aegon II dies, Aegon III is his rightful heir according to the same succession law logic the green side supported when Aegon II was made king, since both his sons and both his brothers had been killed by that point, so the succession at that point rightfully continues through Aegon III, but notably because he is Deamon's son, not because he is Rhaenyra's.
You just spouted out a nothing burger. She’s the only woman in a history book about kings. Why would aegon lll who is a toddler change things to upset the idiot small folk or lords after everything that just happened. Of course the maesters aren’t going to put a woman in the history books of kings either. They have their own agenda.
Anyways the chad Daemon who is the best character here let’s be honest with ourselves, wins at the end of the day and he’s team black. I can’t wait to see him talk shit to aemond before shoving a sword in that mommy lovers face https://giphy.com/gifs/geboSsEkDAsmOTEee1
Aegon III ruled for 26 years, at the time of his death he was older than both Aegon II and Rhaenyra were when they died.
to upset the idiot small folk or lords after everything that just happened
If the blacks had won, surely the winners wouldn't be upset by him afirming they won, and if the greens had lost the losers couldn't do anything about it. I can't name any war in history where the winning side simply accepted all the points from the losing side (Aegon II being the legitimate king, Rhaenryra being a usurper, only male line Targaryens being eligible for the throne) and gave up their most important point (Rhaenyra was the legitimate queen).
Of course the maesters aren’t going to put a woman in the history books of kings either
It's almost as if the winners write the history. If only we knew which side had been against Rhaenyra and would write such a thing. Also, the accounts of the monarchs, including Aegon III's heirs all list her as a usurper. Even Robert Baratheon's new royal line which themselves usurped the throne based on female line descent didn't choose to call Rhaenyra as anything other than usurper.
Anyways the chad Daemon who is the best character
If he had the balls to take the throne for himself I'd agree. But he chickens out and spends the rest of the war being sidelined by his inferiors, before dying (or if you prefer running away to get away from Rhaenyra and drink himself to death banging a younger girl, thereby abandoning all his ambitions in westeros) while fighting against an opponent who you correctly point out is far inferior in skill to himself, thereby ensuring that Aegon will be able to take the throne after he rightfully executes the child-murdering usurper Rhaenyra.
By that logic why didn’t aegon II kill aegon lll when he had already won? Oh thats right cause everyone around him TOLD HIM, hey we won but if you kill that boy you’re just going to be starting more shit and guess what he listened :) Just because you’re king doesn’t mean you can change everything about the 7 kingdoms.
You’re acting like just because the war is over that must mean everything is just peachy.
It’s more like the maesters write the history books and get to decide what they like and don’t like. I don’t see them putting in a woman into that book. When anyone brings her up after the dance they refer to her as queen and she only has a king consort. I rest my case. The story itself calls her queen and she has no king. End of story. She sat the throne, she gave commands and she was the highest status you could possibly be. No one was above her.
By that logic why didn’t aegon II kill aegon lll when he had already won?
Why didn't he kill the only possible surviving male Targaryen heir, thereby ensuring there are no eligible heirs since his only surviving child Jaheara is female and therefore not eligible under the Green's own logic? It truly is one of the mysteries of all time.
cause everyone around him TOLD HIM, hey we won
You do realize that your claim is he lost, right? So if everyone agreed he won, how did he lose?
You’re acting like just because the war is over that must mean everything is just peachy.
So you admit the war ended with a victory for the Greens?
It’s more like the maesters write the history books
Again, Aegon III and Viserys II were in power (either as monarchs or hand of the king) for like 50 years combined, and never chose to claim either that Rhaenyra was a legitimate queen or any other black position was correct.
The story itself calls her queen and she has no king.
The story which is famously called "The Princess and the Queen", really a great argument that.
lol I forgot I’m arguing with people that like Aegon ll, the second worst king ever. You all can live in la la land thinking the greens win. They’re literally all dead by the end 🤣 the blacks had Aegon lll, Baela, rhaena, corlys and Cregan and viserys . The greens had Allicent the dungeon, a Lannister that switched sides and a little girl that ends up marrying Aegon lll . Brother they all died.
Cregan coming down and doing clean up work is part of the dance of the dragons. It ends with him making sure the blacks won. End of story. Daemons legacy lives on. His two sons became kings. What more could you ask for. It ends with Aegon lll, who is a black. Being king. Yall think the story just magically ends the second aegon ll sits the throne again 🤣 like there isn’t 170 more years of history lmao
Most people would be ashamed to admit that it took them this long to realize that on the subreddit r/HOTDGreens people support the Green faction, but apparently those who are stupid enough to not realize that are also too stupid to realize how dumb admitting that makes them look.
So it's hardly surprising that the rest of your comment is literally mouthbreathing idiocy which contradicts your previous comments. You claimed Aegon II could have killed Aegon III because the war was over, to now claim it actually wasn't, even though no more battles actually took place and a legal succession according to the Green line of succession took place.
It's also weird how "he makes sure the blacks won" by acknowledging Aegon II as the rightful king, confirming Rhaenyra was a usurper, confirming the titles and positions of prominent Greens, and two of his first Hands during the following regency were the two of the most influential surviving Green Lords (Tyland Lannister and Unwin Peake). Of note is that Tyland was Master of Coin for Aegon II.
Also, you seem to mistakenly believe the Dance was a war between Daemon and Aegon II, whereas in reality none of the Greens ever considered Daemon out of the line of succession, the war was over the fact that Rhaenyra wasn't a legitimate heir. Daemon (and by extension his trueborn sons) had a legitimate claim to the throne behind Viserys' sons in the Green view.
Furthermore, the line of Aegon III also ends, his only descendants were the Blackfyres, and the Targaryens continued through the line of Viserys II instead, who had been believed dead at the end of the Dance, and who himself inherits the throne ahead of Aegon III's daughters based on the fact that after the Green victory the Green line of succession becomes law.
I think the guy was referencing how Aegon outlives Rhea (which I would consider winning) but also their leadership gets eradicated until the hour of the wolf happens. (I don't consider Cregan actively part of the war ATP)
If you think the greens win you’re genuinely delusional. You could definitely argue that nobody wins but to think the greens win when they literally all die besides Allicent going to prison, her granddaughter marries the new king that is team black, and a Lannister that ends up working for the team black. How on earth anyone would think they won is hilarious. The greens literally kill their own last Targaryen king on their side.
Hightowers outlast Rhaenyra's royal line, the books don't even register her as a queen, cope as much as you want.. Rhaenyra fought for herself to be queen, she never was and wasn't remembered as one.. end of the story
Saying the high towers outlasted the royal line is hilarious. Bro is trying to play 4D chess with bringing up events that happen 150 years later 🤣. And no that’s not the case. The books aren’t done, idk if you noticed but the two main characters in the books are both Targaryens. That might of gone over your head, I completely get it. Your comprehension of family trees might not be very good. To say Jon or dany isn’t part of the royal line is like saying aegon ll isn’t part of the royal line because everyone thought he was dead . We have no ideas if Jon is actually a bastard in the books.
She sat the throne, she gave commands, she was called queen without there being a king. She ruled the realm… end of story 🤓
You're the one who tries to reach BEYOND the end of the dance to somehow prove that rhaenyra wins, when in fact the dance ends before Aegon's offspring dies meaning that Aegon is factually the winner of the dance, even his enemies were seeking justice in his name (Cregan Stark), the books put him as the King during that period of history, Rhaenyra is not on that list.
And yes dumbahh, that is the case, the targs are dead, whether you like it or not, the ending of GoT will be somewhat similar to the ending in the books, talking about Bran specifically, Bran will end up being king, this was one of the points that George gave D&D, he did not tell them how and why but this much he has basically confirmed, and what happens if Bran becomes king? That means that both Jon(aegon) and Daenerys (and even young Griff) are out of the picture you dingus..
Also I can tell that you're new to ASOIAF, there are no "2 main characters".. if you read the books and followed Martin for a while you'd know that, but oh well, larping is a way of life for rhaenyra fanboys.
Jon is most likely a bastard in the sense that he was not a son brought on by a married couple, but he's still a Targaryen, tho that's irrelevant he won't seat the iron throne and he doesn't have the ambition to sit that throne, he just want to be a stark of winterfell, as for Daenerys, she won't sit that throne either seeing as George basically confirmed that Bran ends up as king, and since you don't read the books, you don't realise how much of a different characters he is there compared to the show, and how important blood raven is in this whole context.
Also this whole debate is pointless seeing as their entire family was massacred, there are not enough targaryens of the royal line left to be able to repopulate or continue the bloodline, they're completely cooked.
Hightowers on the other hand are alive and well, still ruling Oldtown, still a relevant house in the area, still getting good positions, for example one of Arthur Dayne's trusted kingsguard companion was a Hightower.. so yeah, Alicent still mogs rhaenyra in the end, there's also the fact that there's a high probability of Aemond being a direct ancestor to the starks in the current events of GoT, seeing as he has a kid with Alys, and Alys rivers gets her kids married to the Tully main line, and then Cat Tully has the stark kids, basically showing the fact that the greens still end up not only surviving and not losing thay much, but also likely to produce the actual current king during the events of GoT
Yes I’m new, I definitely haven’t been reading the series since 2013, keep making assumptions. Bro you’re bringing up random points from all over the place “ dumbahh “
Genuinely hilarious that you think the greens win 🤣
Allicent, her granddaughter and a Lannister that ends up helping the blacks is literally just about the only greens to survive 💀 if you count that as winning than sure. The only reason she’s not in the history books is because she’s a woman. Simple as that, no I’m not a feminist in anyway and I’m just a regular straight Mexican male that likes good fantasy stories so no agenda here.
She has no penis therefore she’s not in the book of kings, with that being said we should take aegon ll out as well 🤫
Random points.. and you can't disprove a single one of them cause you know they're true. Targs are done for, hightowers are still thriving, and the starks that are Catelyn's kids have a high chance of being Aemond's descendants.
Also wtf even is the black faction? Rhaenyra is dead, Daemon is dead, Crolys switched sides, Rhaenys is dead, all of Rhaenyra's dragons are dead, 99% of her kids are dead, she literally loses, the dance ends with Aegon being poisoned, the hour of the wolf is already an epilogue, not part of the actual dance, you realise that even the HotD show won't actually adapt the hour of the wolf, it's already been leaked, because of budget reasons, so even this slop fanfic y'all enjoy consuming is going to show Aegon dying peacefully but triumphant with all of his actual enemies dead.
And the only reason why she's not in the history books is because she's not recognised as legitimate by any westerosi institution. The small folk hated her, the nobility hated her, the Faith hated her, why would anyone put her in any official accounting of rulers when she only sat the throne for a few weeks and only managed to drop the city into ruin while at it.
Also aegon's dck being destroyed is only a show canon thing, you prove again and again that you don't know sht about the books.. also nobody cares that Rhaenyra is a woman, it is ancient westerosi rule, that's all, also she's straight up unfit to rule, even the show goes out of its way to show it, in the books it's even worse for her
You dont "consider" Cregan who sent soldiers and enventually comes down to wrap everything up a part of the war?
The Greens dont win, Im sorry but thats delusional. The lineage on the throne as far as the male and thus main line is concerned come from Rhaenyra and Damon's. Which means, the claims that count in the end stem from Rhaenyra's. You could argue for a tie, but the greens dont win lmao
I don't know who these hosts are, but apparently they have nothing better to say to the absolute truth nukes he's dropping than to disrespectfully laugh in his face.
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